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Any dev thoughts to the current hybrid rebalance fiasco?
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Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#21 - 2011-11-01 23:58:28 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
Just curious if any devs are reading that dev blog thread and if they actually plan on participating like was stated they would. Becuase as it stands about 99% do not like what was proposed.


Probably safe to say that the 99% you speak of are gallente ship pilots so theyre hardly likely to settle for anything less than "OMGBBQ!!1!!1!" ? Let's see how they play out on SISI before leaping to judgements.

C.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2011-11-02 00:02:32 UTC
Cailais wrote:
Imawuss wrote:
Just curious if any devs are reading that dev blog thread and if they actually plan on participating like was stated they would. Becuase as it stands about 99% do not like what was proposed.


Probably safe to say that the 99% you speak of are gallente ship pilots so theyre hardly likely to settle for anything less than "OMGBBQ!!1!!1!" ? Let's see how they play out on SISI before leaping to judgements.

C.


As a gal pilot I have to say no. Its most likely the people who never use blasters.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-11-02 00:04:58 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.



Where is the that number coming from? Well from reading the thread. Try it sometime. In 32 pages (currenlty) maybe 10 poeple have said they like the changes.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?


Again read the thread there are 32 pages explaining it.



Its a lot closer to 50%, at least the thread I was reading is.

Untested numbers are worthless. Until the changes are on sisi, any discussion is equally worthless.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2011-11-02 00:08:57 UTC
I know a lot of players have been asking for better tracking for years, now that they give better tracking ... you complain?
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-11-02 00:15:34 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.



no, no! He's part of the Occupy EVE group.

Hey we should start one. Itd be great for subs O.O

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-11-02 00:21:40 UTC
Cunane Jeran wrote:
The majority of people I've spoken to are really happy with the changes. Maybe you were expecting some massive power creep but thats the last thing we need. The changes bring Hybrids firmly back in line, open a whole ton of new fits that previously were just not feasible in PvP and PvE, and now fair game.

There is more to it that just damage and tracking.

Also, 99% I too like pulling numbers out my ass.

Get a grip lad.


But we got the massive power creep... for the minmatar.
I mean, 100% damage and 50% range buff sounds like massive to me.

And hybrids are inherently broken. a little bit tweaking is pointless. Taking hybrids out of the game is the solution (the only other option -rework all turret weapon systems completely- is apparently a no go for ccp).

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2011-11-02 00:22:00 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I know a lot of players have been asking for better tracking for years, now that they give better tracking ... you complain?


No, he's probably part of the group that stayed silent all those years. One vocal minority versus another vocal minority.

Katrina Oniseki
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#28 - 2011-11-02 00:27:49 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I know a lot of players have been asking for better tracking for years, now that they give better tracking ... you complain?


No, he's probably part of the group that stayed silent all those years. One vocal minority versus another vocal minority.


I suspect he's taken by enthusiasm, there is no way he's thought about anything, especially for years.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Metis Laxon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-02 00:29:44 UTC
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#30 - 2011-11-02 00:31:56 UTC
Its a shame my account will be inactive by the time these changes are added.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-11-02 00:32:55 UTC
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#32 - 2011-11-02 00:34:40 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.


With that ideology all weapon systems other then AC/Arty should be removed then.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2011-11-02 00:36:35 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.



Yea, blasters are so useless I decided to spend the last year using them almost exclusivly and laughed as ship after ship burned up under my neutron blasters pitifull firepower.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#34 - 2011-11-02 00:38:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.



Yea, blasters are so useless I decided to spend the last year using them almost exclusivly and laughed as ship after ship burned up under my neutron blasters pitifull firepower.


Once you go blaster, you never go back!

I love them! I get irked when I can't track, so I'm excited by the change! Less cap usage = win, especially given the power of capless faction ammo projectiles.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-11-02 00:56:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.



Yea, blasters are so useless I decided to spend the last year using them almost exclusivly and laughed as ship after ship burned up under my neutron blasters pitifull firepower.

Oh sure, people will use less effective weaponry simply because they like the ship or whatever, in a game you also want to have fun and flying in a ship whose design is especially appealing to you contributes to it.
But as soon as you enter pvp against competent opponents, you lose 9/10 times, and that 1 time you will win only because everybody will sooner or later make mistakes, therefore allowing you a victory.

I know that you like yourself a nano-blastermega. Since armortanked megas are far, far more common, people will underestimate your speed and agility seriously and therefore getting easily into blasterrange.

But the deciding factor is not the quality of your weapons or the ship or even your piloting skills, it is simply information warfare: wrong assumptions will lead to wrong decisions in battle.

Against a competent opponent that allows for the possibility of more unusual fits you are toast.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-11-02 01:00:00 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.



Yea, blasters are so useless I decided to spend the last year using them almost exclusivly and laughed as ship after ship burned up under my neutron blasters pitifull firepower.


Once you go blaster, you never go back!

I love them! I get irked when I can't track, so I'm excited by the change! Less cap usage = win, especially given the power of capless faction ammo projectiles.


Yeah, just let me put on that hail ammo, and then you can try to outdamage me in blaster range.Twisted

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#37 - 2011-11-02 01:12:51 UTC
Fiasco??? i was browsing through the blog comments sectiona and over 9000 (see what i did there :-P) folks seem to think the changes were a good first step in the right direction, and i am sure once the changes have been tested en-mass on SISI there will be plenty of time for numbers to be tweaked and modified and see what works best without overshadowing any other weapon system.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-11-02 01:16:09 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
Metis Laxon wrote:
<3 hybrid changes.

Clearly I am part of the 1% D: I am the problem. Come out of hiding 99% and make me pay you money for my appreciation of the fantastic hybrid changes.

hybrids are impossible to fix, take them out of the game.

the proposed changes are proving me right.


With that ideology all weapon systems other then AC/Arty should be removed then.

well, lasers and projectiles can be balanced against each other (minmatar is currently FOTM, but tweaking the stats could balance that out in regard to lasers).

one has good optimal, the other good falloff
one has good dps, the other good alpha
one has cap usage, the other ammo usage
one has insta ammo switch, the other multiple damage types

Now tell me: how does a third turret system fit into that? All areas are covered. you can now only create a ripoff of the other two (pointless), create something that isn´t good at anything (hybrids) and can be taken out of the game or create something that is good at everything (overpowered).

missiles and drones are working completely different than turrets, so they don´t matter here.

As for why the proposed changes are proving me right: ccp themselves can´t think of any solution for the catch22 situation with hybrids i just described (there is simply no room for 3 turret systems) or they would have addressed the problems with hybrids and not just given out some bandaids.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-11-02 01:20:33 UTC
He's got a point.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-11-02 01:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis
But nerfing minmatar to **** would be more appealing at this point.