EVE General Discussion

I've been heavily involved in the griefing of incursions lately. It's been incredibly profitable for us, and has a number of motives which I have discussed elsewhere. But to those we've ganked, they simply view it as heartless griefing. THEY think we're the type of people you describe. We see ourselves very differently, as we know our true motives.

Don't be so arrogant as to think you know what goes on in the minds of others.

Ironicly most of the abusive language and real life threats come from the people getting ganked.

Someone roleplaying a pirate will act like a pirate. Last I checked, they're not the nicest crowd.

My point is, he might be putting a label on people without understanding their motives.

I've ganked and seen ganked a lot more than just incursion ships. The goons are out wrecking ice miners because it drives up the price of blue ice products. A lot of time gankers are out there doing things because it benefits them (or someone paying them) in ways you don't understand.

I know a guy who set out to take over a highsec industrial alliance that was about to be formed. He knew the whole thing centered around one miner who had organized the whole thing. He paid a substantial amount of money to have that miner's orca and exhumers ganked and his corp wardec'ed by a pirate corp in order to keep him from being able to form the alliance. That way, he was able to offer up his own corp as the head and establish himself as the leader. To anyone else, they were just random acts of violence. To the few of us who know the whole story, it was a hostile takeover. Motive is often hidden. Sometimes it's not even known by the person(s) hired to carry out an act.

I love being civil within Eve for when I need to be a **** it means something.

I wouldn't call it griefing if there is profit in it for you. That puts you in the first category of conflict. So please try and re-read what I wrote. I support a lot of what some folks call "griefing" as appropriate activity in Eve. No need to defend what you are doing to me, sounds great!

To another poster that commented about "playing someone as pure evil" in game, sure, ok, that is your choice. I'd suggest however that it says something about your character if you find yourself deriving real pleasure from just the pain you inflict on others. If you are doing it as your "RP" expression, go nuts, but ask yourself what about that path attracts you.

As to what goes on in peoples minds, I make no claim to begin to understand that!

Issler

Point is, tis a natural thing to enjoy making others suffer, deal with it.

EDIT: Also, Genghis Khan was a badass, and you would do well to listen to advice he gave.

Or you know, trying to run a spaceship pirate group, or trying to forge an empire in space.

And only an idiot would throw out advice of those who came before him that were successful in their endeavors.

You know, I give you credit for at least keeping it honest. And I sincerely mean this; I hope one day you realize that the suffering of others is nothing to enjoy or desire.

In any case, +1 to you.

Not everyone in EvE is a morally bankrupt person.

I consider myself an upright character of virtue and I take pride in my honesty and loyalty. I would never scam, steal, grief, or otherwise do anything that would be considered morally questionable or devious. I take great offense that you would insinuate that all players behave in such a way.

In a strange twist of coincidence, I'm tired of this game and have decided to give it away. Just giving it to anyone is boring and lacks grace and tact. No no, I will only give it away in a manner of isk matching. Send me X amount and I will send you the same amount back doubled. Sounds like a weird game I know, but it's a game of blind trust.

Let me prove to you that there are, in fact, still decent and honest people in this game. You just have to take that leap of faith. I promise you won't fall. Your trust will be your wings and you will soar magnificently.

I promise. Your faith in humanity will be restored.