Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Something you all seem to fail at bringing up for the topic is, freighters can not be used properly or effectively. I find when I use a freighter that going with the 1bil isk mark. Is you seldom can actually fill your freighter up.
Many times I surpass the 1bil mark with 50 - 100k m3. Anymore than that and you are a very likely target of suicide gangs. This by itself hinders the freighter from do its job. I think a simple solution to this is to allow a freighter to have a single low slot to put a damage control on. This low slot would not allow for a cargo expander to be put in. Effectively not allowing cap ships or whatever people are worried about being put in the cargohold. This would require for an active pilot to turn on the damage control if aggressed. So if the pilot was afk when attacked the pilot would not get the extra resists. This would also allow for freighter pilots to carry more. Effectively utilizing the freighters usefulness. It would still allow for ganking at current levels if pilot is afk. This to me seems the most logical step for freighters, without over tanking or buffing them to much

As for jump freighters they need a definite look at considering price vs ease of ganking. But that Is something I haven't thought about yet so no ideas to run with yet.

LMAO sorry but using an 1/8 or 1/9 of a freighters cargo is not using it properly. That's like saying, you have 8 high slots but you can only use 1 or 2 guns because if you use more your ship will probably explode. I don't know about you but when I PvP I surely want a ship I can fit properly before I take it out for use. I understand why gankers don't want this change, I really do. (freighters are easy kills) But with change that I propose only affects gankers if the pilot is actually flying the ship. Which in many threads is why gankers like taking them out so much. They want people actively playing not passively. This idea works for both sides.

Easy fix:
Option A:
1. Add high, low and mid slots (with some restrictions)
2. Reduce cargo so you will still be able to have the same amount of cargo as before, if you put cargo expanders in all low slots and cargo optimization rigs.
3. Buff shield according to race (ie caladri big shield, ammar and gallente big armor and matari something in between)
4. Reduce Hull HP.

Option B:

1. Reduce price of Freighters (a lot)


I'm more for option one. But I kind of agree with the poster of the topic that its far too easy to take down a freighter, even though many here states that it's very hard (kid me not) and a lot of skill is required to do it (who are you kidding?). My opinion at least.

Says who? If you have to move something 100k that is pretty much the only ship that can do it. So that seems like things are working as intended.



No, too simple, you'd have to first nerf the space of a freighter so with a cargo expander capitals cannot be brought into high sec.



This most likely wont stop ganking. Did nerfing ganking stop ganking? Of course not. The gankers just adapted. They stopped ganking freighters with say 600 million in cargo and now look for guys with more than say 2 billion...and guess what they find plenty of them. What happened? I don't have access to the data, but I bet many a freighter pilot also adapted.

1. They eliminated insurance payouts for ganking in high sec.
2. Gankers stopped going for t he lower value freighters.
3. Freighter pilots responded by putting more stuff in their freighters leading too
4. Higher value cargos for the gankers to go after.

Or to put it somewhat differently. Right now, there is a cutoff point for ganking freighters in terms of cargo value. Lets say for the sake of argument it is 1 billion isk. Go over that you are at risk, stay at that value or lower and you aren't. You get your low slot, you put on a DCU. All you have done is shift the cut off point to say, two billion isk. And you also have to be doing the following: when you fly that damn monster boring ship you have to sit there at the computer every single second practically for 20+ jumps so that you can turn on the DCU. Because if you forget in a 0.7 and you have that higher value cargo then gankers bringing more ships is feasible and ganking you in 0.7 is also feasible at that point. And of course people go over the current limit (these are the dead freighters you see on eve-kill.net) already. So people will go over the new limit.

Will all of you be back here whining then? A second low slot, so you can fit a reinforced bulkhead II? Then a third so that you can fit 2 of them? Or maybe you special snowflakes will want to get a special low slot so you can fit 2 DCUs. Do you guys understand the concept of an arms race? This is a classic situation, one side plays the defender strategy and the other the attacker.

A couple of additional points:

1. If you keep your cargo value under 1 billion your chances of getting ganked are low.
2. Your chances of getting ganked with no cargo are extremely low.

The buffing of freighters should be very far down on the list of things CCP should be working on.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17485335 hmm typical gank
lets see

freighter max ehp 180k without gangbonuses/implats
catalyst + t2 fit 13m isk can do 8k dmg easily
number of catalysts needed 180k/8k = 23 lets make it 25 to surely make a kill
25 catalysts + fit costs = 325m
chance of drop items 50%
to make even a freighter gank the freighter has to carry
325m/50%= 650m isk worth (if we remove luck)

so basically if you flying a freighter and carry more than 650m isk in your cargo you are DOING IT WRONG , also you should UNINSTALL as you are total noob as you cant see you are making yourself a target worthy of picking

after you understand this lets read the kill mail's comment:
"Tribal Ganker derp • 9 hours ago −
Said as if we do it for the loot :p "
so until now we assumed they are doing it for the loot, but they are not ,
so if you dock out in a freighter you are DOING IT WRONG , also you should UNINSTALL as you are a MORON!!!!
this is according to these pirate wannabe griefers

if you still think current high sec freighter ganking is okay and fine,
- you are doing it yourself,
- you are ignorant
- or you are a ******

15-16 BC is big bullshit. I have seen kills been done with 8 attack battlecruisers. Yes 8, thats half what you are suggesting. And yes in 0.5s -_- I guess goons just don't know what they are doing..

that was obviously for profit, look at the loot.

are you just linking random killmails or do you actually have something to contribute to the discussion about freighters?

you didn't post any proof. what are you even trying to prove with random killmails anyway?

current freighter ganking is fine, evidence; ccp haven't removed it.

Follow my link in my previous post and you'll see that I and Gizznitt Malikite provide ample evidence and analysis that suggests you are the one who is wrong.

Oh, and a single killmail is not proof. It is a single data point, a datum. Try looking at more data and you'll see you are posting nonsense.

And if they dropped, then double rewards, denying a rival resources and loot you can either use yourself, or sell for isk.