EVE General Discussion

Null-sec PvE is more profitable than high-sec PvE if you are willing to put in lots of effort or dedicate multiple accounts. The problem is you don't have a million accounts or tons of SP then the base minimum of PvE in null-sec is similarly profitable to running incursions or missions in high-sec while assuming lots more effort and risk. I don't think anyone seriously advocates nerfing high-sec but instead asks for an increase in the rewards of null-sec PvE. This would have the added benefit of bringing more people into null.

not to mention, the last thing eve needs are more/bigger isk faucets.

Most serious isk makers in nullsec do it with highsec alts, either farming Incursions or FW, or doing high level industry or trading in the big highsec hubs. The rats in nullsec can be pretty decent isk for basic line members. You can keep yourself in PvP subcaps by doing anomalies, or even belt ratting in good space. Trying to rat up enough in nullsec for a carrier or dread is a serious grind. At battleship rats with a bounty of about 1.5mil each, you would need to kill over a thousand BS rats to buy a carrier hull.


They aren't stupid about wanting to nerf highsec PvE because most of us realize that this is basically unbalanced situation that needs to be fixed, even if it means hurting some of our personal cash cows. It also means that ccp can ignore nullsec problems by just sugar coating other areas of the game. You end up with nullsec being funded by nullsec players logging out and logging in their Incursion or wormhole alts, or their T2 production team 5 jumps from Jita. Then people complain that nullsec is virtually empty but all the good and easy isk is made logging in almost anywhere else.

But, but . . . THE GRAPH! The graph clearly shows that null sec has more disposable income than any other region . . . by far.

"Pvp more safely"? Do you actually think about what you post or are you just used to arguing for the sake of argument? Because that's nonsense.

You cannot get the same kinds of pvp in high sec as you get in null (yea, try to catch a guy as he jumps through his high sec jump bridge lol, or catch a high sec ratter ratting with his carrier). You CAN make the same kind of PVE isk in high as you can in null in near perfect safety, if not incursions then by farming 4/10s in a Tengu with a probe launcher and deep sapce probes.

Not really.

The only high price hulls getting blown up are the odd Archon/Moros/Bhaal/Orca. Keep in mind that graph is Hull price. The hull price of a 1 Bil isk T3 is 200 mil. Command ships are not far off that mark, Guardians just over half. So when you welp 20 bil in T3's, 5 Guards + a Moros, that's a whole 7 bil for the graph. Or about 35 Maelstroms.

If the idea of "safer pvp" is nonsense to you, then what that tells me is that your approach to PVPing is reckless. If there are a lot of people like you, who go to null sec to PVP recklessly, then that goes a long way towards explaining why so many ships die in null versus in other places. The fact that you choose to use null as your own personal PVP wonderland and choose to use high sec as your own personal ATM machine also goes a long way toward explaining why so many ships die in null versus in other places. PVE ships are used for PVE, while PVP ships are used for PVP. One results in more ISK in your wallet. The other tends to result in a pretty pixel explosion and a blip on the graph. So, basically, you go to high sec to make ISK and you go to null sec to increase the number of ship deaths there. Think about how the graph would look if you reversed your behavior.

It's like saying "More people, per capita, get laid in Vegas than any other city in America.". Well, if a larger percentage of people go to Vegas to get laid than anywhere else, then, guess what?! Likewise, if a larger percentage of players go to null sec to explode ships and to get their ship exploded, then, guess what?!

If more people went to null sec with the explicit intention of NOT exploding, then there wouldn't be as many ship losses. I also wonder how many of those hulls are capsules, which are easy to catch if they are bubbled, and much harder to catch without bubbles . . . and how many of those capsules were just taking a ride on the pod express? How many of those ships are suicide-cynos? And let me ask this: aren't CONCORD kills PVP kills? Are those on the graph for high sec?

So the smaller independent warring nations import weapons and supplies from the larger warring nations?

Art imitates life?

And does that make the Goons North Korea?

"Lots of ships die, that means that everybody is PVPing recklessly."

What in the actual ****? No, it means a lot more ships are PVPing.

If everybody is doing "safer PVP" then that means everybody would be getting a lot less kills, not just dying less. Like... how do I even begin to explain just how tremendously dumb that post was?

Stop with the strawmen already. Nobody said they wanted pure self-sufficiency.