EVE General Discussion

...but Triple weapons are AWESOME.


It's rather interesting that every split weapon system in eve is a steaming pile of crap...*except* for the Typhoon. With split weapons disappearing, I find myself wondering why is it that the Typhoon succeeds when so many others have failed? What is it about the Typhoon that separates it from the other split weapon ships?

The answer is simple: Its drone bay. Split weapon ships were always attacked as being "too unfocused". They have slots competing between two weapon systems. Clearly specialization is the answer, right? To that I say, NO. The problem isn't that they're not focused enough, but rather that they're not general enough. Despite the lack of a drone bonus, the Typhoon has the same bandwidth as a dedicated drone ship such as Domi(but less capacity). If not for that, the Typhoon likely wouldn't be as respected as it is today. It would be mediocre, a crappy Raven. But that extra drone capacity pushes it past the weaknesses of split weapons, and gives it a triple threat. Dealing with 2 weapon systems is doable, but trying to counter or negate 3 weapons? Unlikely.

So answer me this: If all the split weapon ships of the past were given drone bays comparable to the dedicated drone ships of their class(but no bonuses), would they still be underpowered? Would they be overpowered? Would you fly them? I know I would.

Give the Scythe Fleet Issue a 75 bandwidth(as a vexor)
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Scythe_Fleet_Issue

Imagine if the old bellicose had 75 bandwidth? It would still be bad, but the blame would fall to bonuses instead of slots. That's progress my friends.
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Bellicose

And what about the split weapon Loki subsystem? Give that thing +35 bandwidth and +35 drone bay, and suddenly it's not looking too bad.

Now imagine a hypothetical battlecruiser with a 4/4 slot layout, a 5% RoF bonus to both weapons, and a 100 bandwidth drone bay. I guarantee that would see use.


Now with Tiericide coming to a close, don't take this as a complaint. All those other ships besides the Typhoon were terrible. The Scythe Fleet Issue still is. But with Rise acknowledging his intention to keep split weapons alive on the faction ships, (Scythe Fleet Issue and Typhoon Fleet Issue), I think it's time we study the successes of them, instead of the failings. The Typhoon still stands to this day as a testament to the viability of split weapon systems, if they are done right. Let's see them done right.

You already got the Armageddon. Don't take any more from us Gallente drone users!

A valid point, yet all the other split ships could run neuts and still failed.

I apologize. It was actually Fozzie.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=219607&find=unread


Rise made the comment on the phoon though.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223611&find=unread

Edit: damn phone.

Define weapons.

ECM is a weapon, hell in general Ewar is a weapon.
Smartbombs are weapons.
Prop mods are weapons too in the right hands.
Nuets and NOS are weapons.

With that said, each and every ship has a "Split weapon" system they can use.

Now if you are talking about the High slot layouts of certain ships then all I can say is that they are there for you to use your imagination.

Sure a gun boat has a Missile launcher slot... Does not mean you have to use it in such a way, it is just giving you the choice. Some ships are classed as bad since not many know how to fit or use them.

I fully support your crusade garresh. Personally I find it tragic to see split weapon ships disappearing. Domi also had bonuses to two weapon systems, conveniently though they didn't compete for slots (well, they do compete for lows for damage mods). However, I think the domi will be ok, and sort of fun.

For your minmatar observation and proposition, I think you're right to a degree. I think it's a good thing that the typhoon is a swiss army knife of awesome. My concern though, as a guy who had mim and gal bs 5 and capable of flying all T2 ships bc and down, I am worried that the unique style of gallente is being encroached upon. The amarr drone boats are stupid good, they have the same damage potential of the gallente versions but with more hp and crazy stupid toolkits. I'm actually genuinely upset that the prophecy and armageddon are the way the are, and going to be respectively.

For your minmatar proposals, it could be fine so long as they don't get any actual bonuses to drones, but just have large drone bandwidth. Like 75/75 for bellicose, sure. And for the typhoon, 125/150 or something. And the hurricane is pretty shite atm, so maybe a drone mbit increase is in order as well.

With this hopeful review of split weapons, I'd hope reviewing bonusing drones is looked at. It's an extremely finicky system. Plus, with all the new emphasis on sentries I'd like to see some changes to them. Something like increase the pick up radius to 10km. Or make them tractorable =D

The Typhoon: one of the cheapest and ugliest of battle ships, yet one of the most versatile and capable of sheer badassitude.

It even had little fangs.

As a cross trained drone and missile specialist, I can do some interesting things with a phoon. I usually don't fly BS and can't run them well in some lvl 4 missions (keeping the tank up)


But when I do, I use a typhoon.

I'll concede the new Scythe Fleet issue looks pretty awesome, but I'd still like to see a split weapon system with heavy drone capacity implemented. Honestly, I think the Loki subsystem would be the perfect testing ground for a change like that.

Triple split? Haha, what noobs!

There are ships where you can fit one of each weapon system. Guaranteeing that you will NOT be countered by ANYTHING.