EVE New Citizens Q&A

You don't have to do all of the starter agents but you should. It's easy ISK. Then go do the sisters of eve epic arc...more easy ISK. Then if you want to pvp just start now. Don't wait for skills. Don't wait till you've built up a kitty. Just do it. Check the recruitment forums for a pvp corp that is willing to take in noobs and go. RvB, brave newbies inc, many others that I can't think of which hold pvp classes.

Welcome back & feel free to swing through gademan for a free lesson!

By "ACTUAL PvP" he means 'meaningless sparring between people who are actually on the same team'. For the non-consensual PvP you can only get in EVE, New Order all the way.

a/ Didn't believe you were allowed to recruit in the newb forum.
b/ Learning PvP by ganking miners in high sec? Seriously?

Seriously that's as much about learning PvP as shooting fish in a glass bowl is about hunting. Yes you kill stuff, yes that's the end of it. Yes, you will be embarrased beyond belief if you fail.

There are corps out there that teach you serious pvp. RvB is one place to start. Heck even EVE Uni has more profitable pvp classes.

yea, players attacking other players is clearly NOT PVP. i mean come on people, use your brain....

J'Poll gives great advice, follow what they say.

Some more helpful advice to you is knowing that EVE isn't like other games in regard to PVP. There are mulititudes of ways to engage in combat in the game. Some call ganking (kiling unprovoked) miners and starter players PVP. Others consider small scale squad engagements PVP especially in low sec, while those in SOV space often engage in epic battles where hundreds of players in each fleet face off against one another where fleet doctrines and required fittings are cycled as alliances and empires attempt to hold or take space.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that RvB, EveUni, or specific corporations are the kings of combat. It's simply not true, because if it were i'd have to say that honor would likely fall upon Rooks and Kings as i've seen many a larger fleet get spanked very hard to those guys.

TL;DR

Just pick a corp of friendly folks, pvp will find you or you will find it :)

RnK are great guys. Even if they've shot at me from time to time.
Noir., only seen them hide when they've not judged themselves able to win by obvious margins - bit disappointed actually.

Well said Vimsey.

As for the tired old "they only shoot those who don't shoot back" nonsense, I would link you the killmails of many armed tornadoes, scorpions, nagas, etc that we've taken down while they were trying to defend the miners, but that's not allowed in this forum. I'm sure you can find our killboard if you set your mind to it.

Regardless, there's nothing stopping them from shooting back.

What a terribly well informed and substantive post.

This actually sounds more like Bully v Usually defenseless target who can only try to live long enough for Concord to save him.

If thats what you deem PvP you can keep it.

People define PVP differently. But there's also the question: what sort of person do you want to be within this game?

Do you want to be an extortionist and a schoolyard bully? Because that's a perfectly viable option in this game.

Do you want to learn how to handle a situation where you find yourself outgunned and outmanned, without the intricacies of hisec rules being gamed in your favor?

Do you want to learn about small-craft combat tactics? Or about gang warfare?

Do you want to learn about the much-derided industrial side of the game, which enables so many players to pay for the ships they risk in combat?

Do you want to learn about other ways to play the game, to liven up your experience?

Come to think of it, that's probably one reason that recruiting in the New Players forum is against the rules: if you jump at the first offer without learning the various ways to play the game, you can all too easily end up trapped.

I, for one, tried a number of play styles as I was learning the game. I vary my play depending on my mood. And I run with a bunch of fellow players who do the same.

It's quite rewarding.