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LOGI Ganking in Inursions
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Goose99
#21 - 2011-11-01 21:10:10 UTC
So'rren wrote:
JackStraw56 wrote:
There should be a warning if you try to rep someone who flipped a can, but there is not, and this is how you got ganked. Gotta be careful.

The argument that TDF is safer than BTL...don't really buy it. BTL is larger, there will be more incidents due to pure numbers.


Not to mention the questionable personalities of some of the higher ups in TDF, especially carmelos53, the "witch hunt" bannings that frequently get the wrong party, and general state of paranoia make being in TDF a rather negative experience.


It's effective. New alt ganking corps like "Go Petition Blizzard" were banned within 4 hours after they were formed. This minimizes exposure. They're still around in btl, in contrast. No one is criticizing your choice if you stay in btl and take your chances.
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-01 22:22:19 UTC
if you're worried about getting ganked go make some friends who won't kill you?

tho i find friend that try to kill you are the most fun.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#23 - 2011-11-01 22:46:23 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
It's effective. New alt ganking corps like "Go Petition Blizzard" were banned within 4 hours after they were formed. This minimizes exposure. They're still around in btl, in contrast. No one is criticizing your choice if you stay in btl and take your chances.


Alt? This is Slimy's corp. We could have stayed in NPC corps, but this one was funnier :)

The funny thing is people think those bans are effective at all. Good luck rooting out my deep-cover alts with those witch-hunts.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Goose99
#24 - 2011-11-01 23:22:34 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
It's effective. New alt ganking corps like "Go Petition Blizzard" were banned within 4 hours after they were formed. This minimizes exposure. They're still around in btl, in contrast. No one is criticizing your choice if you stay in btl and take your chances.


Alt? This is Slimy's corp. We could have stayed in NPC corps, but this one was funnier :)

The funny thing is people think those bans are effective at all. Good luck rooting out my deep-cover alts with those witch-hunts.


It's effective in that all recent kills are out of btl and not tdf. Is there some other way to measure effectiveness?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2011-11-02 00:43:19 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
It's effective in that all recent kills are out of btl and not tdf. Is there some other way to measure effectiveness?

I've been watching TDF for days. The bans are worthless feel-good measures to keep our mains off the list so people feel safer.

We'll get to TDF when the time comes. We haven't been *kept* out, we've simply stayed out.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Goose99
#26 - 2011-11-02 00:58:45 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
It's effective in that all recent kills are out of btl and not tdf. Is there some other way to measure effectiveness?

I've been watching TDF for days. The bans are worthless feel-good measures to keep our mains off the list so people feel safer.

We'll get to TDF when the time comes. We haven't been *kept* out, we've simply stayed out.


Disposable alts can't fly boats and don't get invites. "Spies" in public channels are useless.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#27 - 2011-11-02 01:18:14 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Disposable alts can't fly boats and don't get invites. "Spies" in public channels are useless.


You'll see. Be patient :)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Shaidar Hussan
HelloKittyFanclub
#28 - 2011-11-02 04:45:04 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

You'll see. Be patient :)

It's nice to see that someone is doing something to make incursions more interesting.

Best of luck to you guys Twisted
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-02 06:18:59 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
It's a trap. The logi flipped a can.


you have no idea how long people have been getting away with this [strikeout]exploit[/strikeout] loophole and CCP hasn't done anything about it. I think people have been doing this since the beginning of the game and they STILL haven't fixed it.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-11-02 12:25:08 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Only, I can bet anything the cat is having more fun in the end.


Personally, I find it more fun to get the proverbial "goodfight" rather than ganking clueless people but you don't see me making spergy madposts about it, unlike your boy trinkets.

tbh if you wanna gank anything, gank an incursion fleet because they can fight back

and if they don't give a **** about learning agression mechanics so be it
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-11-02 12:26:13 UTC
Barbie D0ll wrote:

I dont want to learn how agression mechanics work and therefore get butthurt when someone uses them against me

ok
Goose99
#32 - 2011-11-02 15:07:46 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Only, I can bet anything the cat is having more fun in the end.


Personally, I find it more fun to get the proverbial "goodfight" rather than ganking clueless people but you don't see me making spergy madposts about it, unlike your boy trinkets.

tbh if you wanna gank anything, gank an incursion fleet because they can fight back

and if they don't give a **** about learning agression mechanics so be it


The whole point of ganking logi is that they can't fight back. Only logi gets aggro, and only after it's been shot.Roll
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#33 - 2011-11-02 15:48:09 UTC
Barbie D0ll wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
It's a trap. The logi flipped a can.


you have no idea how long people have been getting away with this [strikeout]exploit[/strikeout] loophole and CCP hasn't done anything about it. I think people have been doing this since the beginning of the game and they STILL haven't fixed it.


Actually, this is a relatively new thing.

A couple of years ago it was possible to get someone to rep you and then shoot at someone else, invoking a concord kill on you and passing it to the logi pilot because they were assisting an outlaw. This was fixed by having GCC stop reps rather than get people concorded.

While that was going on, though, if I had a legitimate reason to be shooting at someone I couldn't shoot at their neutral logi. This meant a can flipper or griefer or someone pretending to be spoiling for a 1v1 in highsec could have several neutral RR on hand to ensure they won any fight they got in. CCP fixed this just recently so that logi get aggression when they assist someone who has committed an aggressive act.

This is not an exploit at all.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#34 - 2011-11-02 15:49:18 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
The whole point of ganking logi is that they can't fight back. Only logi gets aggro, and only after it's been shot.Roll


A quick look at our killboard should demonstrate that our primary targets are not defenseless. We've lost three ships to people fighting back so far.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Odemis
Death By Design
#35 - 2011-11-02 18:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Odemis
Rep/Transfer mechanics are just the beginning. We have something in the works that will make our previous 45b in kills pale in comparison. No matter how much you complain, no matter how many game mechanics CCP "fixes", we will find a way to kill you. We don't have to be good at pressing f1, but we WILL be good at all the things leading up to it.

My advice to anyone we've ganked or anyone we will gank in the future is to learn the game mechanics. Learn the game mechanics and fight back. You have more than enough firepower and logistic support... not to mention off-grid boosters etc. Stop leaving your incursion-mates to die at the hands of horrible people like me. Stop being stuck up about how "shiny" you are and how crappy the raven pilot next to you is. The real difference between us is that we shoot squares on our overview and never leave our buddies hanging, while you shoot pluses and trash your own fleetmates. Flame all you want but you know I'm right.



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Goose99
#36 - 2011-11-02 21:19:07 UTC
Odemis wrote:
Rep/Transfer mechanics are just the beginning. We have something in the works that will make our previous 45b in kills pale in comparison. No matter how much you complain, no matter how many game mechanics CCP "fixes", we will find a way to kill you. We don't have to be good at pressing f1, but we WILL be good at all the things leading up to it.

My advice to anyone we've ganked or anyone we will gank in the future is to learn the game mechanics. Learn the game mechanics and fight back. You have more than enough firepower and logistic support... not to mention off-grid boosters etc. Stop leaving your incursion-mates to die at the hands of horrible people like me. Stop being stuck up about how "shiny" you are and how crappy the raven pilot next to you is. The real difference between us is that we shoot squares on our overview and never leave our buddies hanging, while you shoot pluses and trash your own fleetmates. Flame all you want but you know I'm right.



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What a tard. You do realize the gunboats can't shoot without being concorded, right? That's the whole point. Learn the game mechanics.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#37 - 2011-11-02 21:43:57 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
What a tard. You do realize the gunboats can't shoot without being concorded, right? That's the whole point. Learn the game mechanics.

But...we're shooting the gunboats, too.

Forget game mechanics, literacy should be your priority.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Goose99
#38 - 2011-11-02 21:47:06 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
What a tard. You do realize the gunboats can't shoot without being concorded, right? That's the whole point. Learn the game mechanics.

But...we're shooting the gunboats, too.

Forget game mechanics, literacy should be your priority.


Only if they flip a can, and only after you finished off the logis and shot them first.

See? This is what I get for talking to tards...Roll
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#39 - 2011-11-02 23:10:06 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Only if they flip a can, and only after you finished off the logis and shot them first.

See? This is what I get for talking to tards...Roll


You've just thoroughly demonstrated that you have no idea what is going on.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-11-03 02:48:53 UTC
How does one get into this? I want to shoot some bears before my EVE sub goes away. :(

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?