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The content of eve, a lighter side

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#1 - 2013-04-25 12:32:14 UTC
We are all well aware that the dastards and evil doers of this wonderful game of ours create an unrivaled amount of content, which too those who whole heatedly believe they are knights of justice and other bollocks do not like. (and even though i like too consider myself a goody too shoes love the evil doers story's Twisted )

So I would like to ask my fellow players to post story's of battles fought for the side of good.

Inspiration came from this gem of a thread I love too read ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6304&find=unread ) However I would like to see if equally good content can be made with good intentions.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-25 12:38:21 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
We are all well aware that the dastards and evil doers of this wonderful game of ours create an unrivaled amount of content, which too those who whole heatedly believe they are knights of justice and other bollocks do not like. (and even though i like too consider myself a goody too shoes love the evil doers story's Twisted )

So I would like to ask my fellow players to post story's of battles fought for the side of good.

Inspiration came from this gem of a thread I love too read ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6304&find=unread ) However I would like to see if equally good content can be made with good intentions.




I once Killed a flashy. Does that count as doing something good since he was flashy for a reason?

Though "Good" and "Evil" are not really easy things to describe. Someone may think themselves good but others may think they are evil. It is all down to ones beliefs that change the concept of good and evil.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.

Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#3 - 2013-04-25 12:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Job Valador
Too true Ritsum. I am quite entertained by the story's of pirates, scammers, AWOXers and the like, but I would love to read a story of kindness as well. Something different too the norm I suppose :/

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-04-25 12:58:58 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Too true Ritsum. I am quite entertained by the story's of pirates, scammers, AWOXers and the like, but I would love to read a story of kindness as well. Something different too the norm I suppose :/


The problem with these stories or so called "do Gooder" stories. It makes people like me go oh Really.. here I come.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-25 13:12:19 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Too true Ritsum. I am quite entertained by the story's of pirates, scammers, AWOXers and the like, but I would love to read a story of kindness as well. Something different too the norm I suppose :/



Oh and after reading the forums and in game chat for a while you can see the trend that is the more goodly inclined players are not glory seekers. They do what they think is right and get on with it.

For the not so goodly inclined players, they are glory seekers and will try their best to get the attention of everyone around them by bragging about their exploits.

It will most likely take some time to find the story's of good, but they do exist and most people may have a few of their own but will not share

I personally have given away ISK to what looked like a new player getting the short end of the stick. I know full well that it is most likely a scamer but I did it thinking that I may have just helped someone in need.

I also know of quite a few people that will help players who ask questions and need help in certain aspects of the game.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.

Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-04-25 13:19:34 UTC
The New Order is committed to Good.

Death to evil bots and evil bot-like behavior!

Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#7 - 2013-04-25 13:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Job Valador
*swats at manny moons with a newspaper*

no, bad boy, no you go away.

yall effed that up in my book when I was calimed of being a bot and your knights tryed to suicide my barge. lucky me I always fit tank Twisted

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-25 22:03:43 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
Job Valador wrote:
Too true Ritsum. I am quite entertained by the story's of pirates, scammers, AWOXers and the like, but I would love to read a story of kindness as well. Something different too the norm I suppose :/


Oh and after reading the forums and in game chat for a while you can see the trend that is the more goodly inclined players are not glory seekers. They do what they think is right and get on with it.

For the not so goodly inclined players, they are glory seekers and will try their best to get the attention of everyone around them by bragging about their exploits.

It will most likely take some time to find the story's of good, but they do exist and most people may have a few of their own but will not share

I personally have given away ISK to what looked like a new player getting the short end of the stick. I know full well that it is most likely a scamer but I did it thinking that I may have just helped someone in need.

I also know of quite a few people that will help players who ask questions and need help in certain aspects of the game.

Yeah, no.

What you are seeing is herds of selfish people, playing "nice" because pissing others off seems detrimental to their self interest.

"Bad" people are following similar selfish motivations, except they do it at the expense of everyone around them.
"Really bad" people do what they do at their own expense, purely to cause strife to those around them.

"Good" people help others attain mutual goals, applying their effort to give everyone in their community a leg up
"Really good" people sacrifice themselves to help others and fight the tyranny of the bad men.


Both good and evil are relatively uncommon, the landscape is mostly gray and self serving. Why do we see so much evil and so little good? Partly because being evil is just another way to make spaceships blow up in an internet spaceship game. We also notice it more because it's so unexpected, and due to the outpouring of tears. Meanwhile being good is just straight up work that maybe gets a personal thank you, where the very people you are trying to help are often their own and your worst enemy. Some of the people I have expended time and effort helping along in this game, are now set to -10 and have been shot at with extreme prejudice.

What gets even more interesting, is when you start trying to pigeon hole people or groups into such categories. Take the goons as an example. They are a group of people with mutual goals that work together to achieve them. Does that make them "Good people"? Or just a Good group of Bad people?

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-26 00:26:18 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:

Yeah, no.

What you are seeing is herds of selfish people, playing "nice" because pissing others off seems detrimental to their self interest.

"Bad" people are following similar selfish motivations, except they do it at the expense of everyone around them.
"Really bad" people do what they do at their own expense, purely to cause strife to those around them.

"Good" people help others attain mutual goals, applying their effort to give everyone in their community a leg up
"Really good" people sacrifice themselves to help others and fight the tyranny of the bad men.


Both good and evil are relatively uncommon, the landscape is mostly gray and self serving. Why do we see so much evil and so little good? Partly because being evil is just another way to make spaceships blow up in an internet spaceship game. We also notice it more because it's so unexpected, and due to the outpouring of tears. Meanwhile being good is just straight up work that maybe gets a personal thank you, where the very people you are trying to help are often their own and your worst enemy. Some of the people I have expended time and effort helping along in this game, are now set to -10 and have been shot at with extreme prejudice.

What gets even more interesting, is when you start trying to pigeon hole people or groups into such categories. Take the goons as an example. They are a group of people with mutual goals that work together to achieve them. Does that make them "Good people"? Or just a Good group of Bad people?


So all the nice people I know are only "playing nice" to serve themselves?

Yeah, no.

They do it because they are nice and just because you have had bad past experiences trying to help someone and in turn becoming cynical about being nice does not mean everyone out there that is nice is just trying to serve themselves.

If you read my earlier post I agree about the later part of your post. Good and evil are different concepts in everyone's eyes.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.

iPod Nubz
7-2 Ronin
#10 - 2013-04-26 02:50:25 UTC
everytime a failfit ship gets ganked, GOOD has been done.
The poor soul, confused in the belief his way of fitting a ship would serve a purpose other than inspire suicide in the hearts of the original designers.

Every scam teaches a lesson. GOOD has been achieved!

Your "good" doesn't really survive well in EvE.

Ever wondered why in a game that is a sandbox, where.noone forces you to any single activity, so many people recur to killing each other or worse, griefing, scamming, stealing and lying to each other?

makes you think...
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#11 - 2013-04-26 05:09:51 UTC
iPod Nubz wrote:
everytime a failfit ship gets ganked, GOOD has been done.
The poor soul, confused in the belief his way of fitting a ship would serve a purpose other than inspire suicide in the hearts of the original designers.

Every scam teaches a lesson. GOOD has been achieved!

Your "good" doesn't really survive well in EvE.

Ever wondered why in a game that is a sandbox, where.noone forces you to any single activity, so many people recur to killing each other or worse, griefing, scamming, stealing and lying to each other?

makes you think...



I will still hold out hope though and search for these storys. As for what Ritsum said the true good doers will not be glory seekers and therefore under the radar. I believe this too be true.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-04-26 05:18:46 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
iPod Nubz wrote:
everytime a failfit ship gets ganked, GOOD has been done.
The poor soul, confused in the belief his way of fitting a ship would serve a purpose other than inspire suicide in the hearts of the original designers.

Every scam teaches a lesson. GOOD has been achieved!

Your "good" doesn't really survive well in EvE.

Ever wondered why in a game that is a sandbox, where.noone forces you to any single activity, so many people recur to killing each other or worse, griefing, scamming, stealing and lying to each other?

makes you think...



I will still hold out hope though and search for these storys. As for what Ritsum said the true good doers will not be glory seekers and therefore under the radar. I believe this too be true.


omg.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP

iPod Nubz
7-2 Ronin
#13 - 2013-04-26 05:36:25 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
iPod Nubz wrote:
everytime a failfit ship gets ganked, GOOD has been done.
The poor soul, confused in the belief his way of fitting a ship would serve a purpose other than inspire suicide in the hearts of the original designers.

Every scam teaches a lesson. GOOD has been achieved!

Your "good" doesn't really survive well in EvE.

Ever wondered why in a game that is a sandbox, where.noone forces you to any single activity, so many people recur to killing each other or worse, griefing, scamming, stealing and lying to each other?

makes you think...



I will still hold out hope though and search for these storys. As for what Ritsum said the true good doers will not be glory seekers and therefore under the radar. I believe this too be true.


^^ This is why ponzi schemes work and ISK doublers still exist.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#14 - 2013-04-26 06:24:04 UTC
Didn't say it would be easy Roll

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Duke Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-04-26 12:42:18 UTC
In order to get more stories from the good guys' side of the good guy/bad guy diad, you need more good guys driving the action. Most of the time, I believe the typical good guy is reacting to things as they happen--such as defending himself against a pirate, or dealing with a mission buster.

In other words, the good guy is a passive protagonist, and it's hard to tell an entertaining story from that perspective. The Coen brothers pulled it off in "The Big Lebowski," but I'm hard-pressed to think of another example right now.

In EVE, things like close fights, scoring a large amount of ISK in a short period of time, or examples of great skill or stupidity are the big, obvious bins of story fodder, so they're the things which will get written about the most. And, usually but not always, the ones driving the action in these kinds of events are bad guys.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#16 - 2013-04-26 14:17:23 UTC
I and some friends ganked....er...wait.

*ponders*

I.......I........this is really hard.........I.......once jumped a flashy yellow newb ratting in a belt....and let him go with a lecture on Crimewatch mechanics....cuz he was a newb.

And I was sober.......

I even gave him a million isk. For the lolz.

I still can't believe I did that.

But I got better, shortly thereafter I went and ganked an AFK guy in a Apotheosis......:)

Does this count?

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

rswfire
#17 - 2013-04-26 21:39:04 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
So all the nice people I know are only "playing nice" to serve themselves?

Yeah, no.

They do it because they are nice and just because you have had bad past experiences trying to help someone and in turn becoming cynical about being nice does not mean everyone out there that is nice is just trying to serve themselves.

If you read my earlier post I agree about the later part of your post. Good and evil are different concepts in everyone's eyes.


We are an alliance of "good people" who do "nice things" for others all the time, without expectation of reward for doing so. It's not self-serving. It's simply our nature to want to help others. We're a community; we value the people that make up our community. It sounds corny, and perhaps it is, but we look beyond the pixels of a spaceship and see the person at the keyboard. It doesn't take long for anyone in our group to see that we're serious about this. They quickly open up to us about who they are irl and share stories that would blow some people's minds. We make it a point to help as many new people to Eve as we can. We don't have a doctrine requiring they train certain things; we ask them what they want to be in Eve, and we do our best to help them achieve that. We want them to stick around and learn as much about this awesome universe as they can. We're a supportive group, and there are countless stories of things we've done for one another.

And we're not alone. I can cite examples. A recent one would be me in Amarr doing a COSMOS mission. I was farming for an item I needed when another person showed up. He was farming for something else. I didn't trust him right away (he sent me a fleet invite to fight the NPCs together, which I ignored). But I blued my wrecks, and he did the same. We talked about what we were looking for. I told him I'd happily give it to him if I came across it; he did the same. He wanted a rare item worth quite a lot; I didn't care...it's not why I was there. Neither of us found what we wanted and he needed to go; he asked me to meet him at a station to trade some items he already had, including the very thing I needed...and several items I didn't know I'd need for later missions. He asked for nothing in return. He has +10 standing with me. Cool guy. I went on to research the item he needed and mailed him a list of places he'd be more likely to find it in.

Some other examples would be our alts in the market hubs that link to a page about scams; people send us thank-yous all the time, share it with their corps, even send us ISK (though we've *never* asked them to, meaning they come up with this idea all on their own.) People can be quite amazing in Eve!

I will say, however, that "good" and "evil" are subjective. And the reality is that people are always "good" to their friends. The less common thing you see is when people are good to people who are not. This is cool though; it's Eve. Everyone is here for different things, and posting something like this in C&P is doubtfully the place you'll find a lot of good stories. :)
Tesal
#18 - 2013-04-27 03:06:41 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
Too true Ritsum. I am quite entertained by the story's of pirates, scammers, AWOXers and the like, but I would love to read a story of kindness as well. Something different too the norm I suppose :/


Every Christmas I fly to Cistuvaert, where I started out, and give cash to all the newbs.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#19 - 2013-05-02 12:33:30 UTC
This one time in bandcamp I gave someone isk.
After that I went on to see if my cello would fit in his *** Shocked