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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#361 - 2013-04-24 16:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Executioner Shazih
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silens vesica wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows
Ah, the "I know you are, but what am I?" response. I think Pee Wee Herman used that one best. You've managed a pathetic, pale, pale ghost of an imitation of Paul Reubens' deilvery.
Lol

So - you've been pidgeon-holed pretty thoroughly. By your own words, no less.
Heh.





Oh man. An unstoppable keyboard-hero is still here lol
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#362 - 2013-04-24 16:55:03 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


Oh man. An unstoppable keyboard-hero is still here lol

Yup. You'd know it, too. How does it feel to fail?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#363 - 2013-04-24 16:58:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Velicitia wrote:


... why is it in each of those factions, I'm trying to cram "Caldari" in there somehow?


Because the US has "all ze missiles"?



I was going more along the lines of the government is for the corporations ... but that works too.

If I could give you more than 1 space-like, I would. Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#364 - 2013-04-24 16:58:56 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread?
how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#365 - 2013-04-24 17:04:34 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows

The only person using teen slang is yourself, all you're succeeding in doing is cementing the view we have of you as a petulant child.

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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#366 - 2013-04-24 17:08:28 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread?
how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect


You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right?
I never offended anyone, but instead I got like +30 insults in this thread from players who claim to be 'adults'. At some point even a calm and rational person like me loses his patience and starts adding some sourness into the posts.
Dave Stark
#367 - 2013-04-24 17:17:14 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread?
how would i 'earn some fame' in this useless thread? it's just one person being told repeatedly they're wrong and not getting it, then becoming abusive and insulting because they don't know how to accept they're incorrect


You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right?
I never offended anyone, but instead I got like +30 insults in this thread from players who claim to be 'adults'. At some point even a calm and rational person like me loses his patience and starts adding some sourness into the posts.


you haven't been insulted once, you've simply been told how you're acting. summed up in a word; badly.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#368 - 2013-04-24 17:18:07 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I never offended anyone,
…other than in pretty much every one of your posts from page 4 and onward.

Quote:
At some point even a calm and rational person like me
Oh really? Could you please calmly and rationally explain why some people should be given new abilities just because others are allowed to retain theirs?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#369 - 2013-04-24 17:20:21 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
You probably understand even if 100 people say one way and 1 person says the other way, it doesn't imply that that 1 person is incorrect. Right?

eighteen pages of good argument against that one person does. right?
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#370 - 2013-04-24 17:22:09 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more.


But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged


Except when I started, you had to train learning skills for maximum efficiency. And while I did get reimbursed for the sp in learning skills, I did not get sp for all the points I didn't get from not having learning skills maxed, losing out on quite a bit in the long run. You never had that problem.

And how when I started, T1 ships were mostly crap and you were functionally useless without T2 esp for things like logi. The time to fly certain ships and roles has dramatically been reduced.

That being said, I do agree the gulf of high skills vs low skills is growing. However, in this case I would say HTFU.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#371 - 2013-04-24 17:24:42 UTC
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.
flakeys
Doomheim
#372 - 2013-04-24 17:28:22 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.



As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Dave Stark
#373 - 2013-04-24 17:28:51 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.



As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....


the prospect is tempting.
flakeys
Doomheim
#374 - 2013-04-24 17:30:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.



As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....


the prospect is tempting.



Yeah gosh who would have whispered this in my allts ear in scc dave? Who oh who .... Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#375 - 2013-04-24 17:33:33 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.


Hmm. This is a tempting idea and I am considering setting the OP to red now and hunting him down for eternity. But then again not sure if its worth wasting my time. Lets see what other rubbish the OP comes out with and see if I change my mind.
Dave Stark
#376 - 2013-04-24 17:35:03 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Instead of talking, you guys should start shooting him.

Then, he could make another thread whining about how unfair it is
that people kill him because he has an opinion.



As someone whispered in my ear for this lad you'd join RvB just to shoot him over and over and over and ....


the prospect is tempting.



Yeah gosh who would have whispered this in my allts ear in scc dave? Who oh who .... Roll


i have no idea... none what so ever.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#377 - 2013-04-24 17:46:54 UTC
Caxton Verticorda wrote:
If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit.
(Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.)

Only if you start NOW, are on a perfect perc/wil remap, and have +5s or are otherwise able to train at least 2700 sp/hr.
Otherwise no, you'll miss it and only be able to get up to battlecruisers 4, which should still be fine for most new players. Older players should have already known about and gotten the skills they need considering they've known about this change for a very long time.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#378 - 2013-04-24 17:54:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Very simple

P₁: Current skill system is bad.
P₂: Current skill system is better than before.
C: Old skill system was bad.
Fixed. So that's a yes, then, as expected. It's ok, we've already established that I realised why you were right all along and that I'm just evading the question now, constantly moving the goalposts and injecting straw men in a desperate attempt to say right.
As you're so fond of saying: /discussion.


Fixed.

I agree, thank you for admitting that you were wrong, Tippia.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#379 - 2013-04-24 17:55:09 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Very simple

P₁: Current skill system is bad.
P₂: Current skill system is better than before.
C: Old skill system was bad.
Fixed. So that's a yes, then, as expected. It's ok, we've already established that I realised why you were right all along and that I'm just evading the question now, constantly moving the goalposts and injecting straw men in a desperate attempt to say right.
As you're so fond of saying: /discussion.


Fixed.

I agree, thank you for admitting that you were wrong, Tippia.

Are you just being thick, or did you really miss the sarcasm?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#380 - 2013-04-24 17:57:57 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Are you just being thick, or did you really miss the sarcasm?


Someone here has missed something, that's true.