Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, and that is explained in the thread clearly by CCP Rise saying that due to feedback sig was dropped which was going to by over 400 and EHP has been slightly reduced.

"Updated based on feedback to make the Tempest Minmatar's second attack battleship. This keeps its sig down, lowers its mass slightly, at the cost of lower hp."

Although I'm not surprised someone as dumb as the OP wouldn't understand that.

My mistake, I misunderstood CCP Rises point :



I biomass and i come back.

But still doesnt change the rest.

Yeah because the thread is just about the Tempest EHP.
I recognize my mistakes, you should recognize when you shouldnt post.

Op no offense but I think you're a little bit overlooking some numbers.

We didn't called Minmatar ships line "winmatar" for nothing, there's a good reason for it. After all the changes already don, those coming soon and hope others will follow to adjust whatever is wrong, I can finally have the feeling that now you have a good reason to specialize in one race rather than cross train for whatever op thing of the moment.

This is an important change, of course some ships will still be better either because of meta gaming or because some bonus/whatever the heck stat is clearly too much, but the end of line is that while races are getting their flavor back they're not equal but all or at least most are more interesting than ever. This is a huge and important change.

Minmatar will still be the fastest ones, will still be the race applying huge amounts of dps with short range weapons at ranges where some operate in optimal of their long range ones, on top of dmg selection that is a very important factor to retain.

They're not the best at everything anymore? -yes and this is good, this is fantastic, this is great for all pilots that some day choose another race than Minmatar for their first months training just to figure out they're loosing their time with consequences with in the game it self (minmatar everywhere) and also in players retention (smaller number but still).


I'm not saying it's perfect, I'm the first one moaning and never happy because when it's done I always think better is possible, I'm just trying to explain from my point of view that now races and ships are getting much better balanced which is a good thing so players have more options.
Also because ships that we wouldn't see anywhere than BPC's and market a year or two ago, now are used and people have fun with, this is also fantastic and good on the long term for the game and the community.

I think this is less about the Minmatar getting nerfed, but being put in line with everyone else.

After being on top by a MASSIVE margin in the past putting them in line is going to seem like a big nerf.

It's hard to tell from the numbers alone, lets see how the races stack up against each other 4 months after oddesy. By then it will be clear if anything is overpowered or underpowered.

Re-read her posts about TCs with scripts etc. then and re-read it again. It's a module issue the module is overpowered. Passive should in theory never be better than something that it's actively using your ships resources, and not only that it's way easier to fit. Like I said reread her posts where she explains all that you. Anyways this will be my last post in this thread I'm not a big fan of arguing with rocks and the likes. You've been given point after point and refuse to see it any other way or even consider it.

The point is the tracking enhancer gives both tracking and range benefits at the same time and uses no capacitor, half the cpu, and doesn't need to be loaded with scripts. Also shield setups are much easier to fit than armour setups which are much more intensive in nearly every requirement, the strength of the TE over the TC adds to this even further. If you can't see that this needs changing then you are a lost cause.

Seeing as a TC is a mid slot item then it will reduce your shield tank if your fit it and use up space which you could use for Ewar. That and also the fact you would have to be crazy to fit a TC when you can simply fit a TE which is much better and leaves more CPU for other mods.

…and that's the problem. The TC should be better than the TE when unscripted, and better in one area when scripted.

Optimal Range +15%, Falloff +30%, Tracking Speed +9.5% for a passive, easy-to-fit module compared to half that when you fit an active, hard-to-fit module. On those two facts alone, the TE and TC should swap bonuses.

Big “if”. As it happens, it's not the only problem with TEs. Another is what they simply give too high a bonus. They push the ranges turrets far too far, so buffing the TC to be even worse is a particularly bad solution. TEs need their bonuses reduced just because. On top of that, they need their bonuses reduced in comparison with TCs. On top of that, they need their bonuses reduced to match their fitting requirements.

…oh, and on top of that, they need to have their bonuses reduced to make it sensible to fit something else in those lowslots and not turn all but the most specialist armour-tanking ships into shield tankers. TEs made it worth-while to shield tank a 3-mid Thorax because it gave you better gank'n'tank than if you put armour in the lowslots.

They should have been nerfed into the ground ages ago. Now is just a better time since it coincides with a large-scale ship rebalance that provides some context and bigger picture.

Well thats my fear, having TEs not worthing to fit because of crap range bonus and becoming a dusty module in my hangar.