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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Gallente

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2121 - 2013-04-24 13:21:43 UTC
I'll just leave this here: Gallente are a primary drone race? Look at the new Dominix. Now look at the new Armageddon. Now back at the Dominix. Get it?

And removing hybrid bonus from Dominix is fine and well. Except of course it totally breaks the progression. Frigate droneboat is hybrids/drones. Destroyer drone boat is hybrids/drones. Cruiser drone boat is hybrids/drones. Battleship drone boat is drones and...drumroll please...projectiles! That's right, say it with me, pro-jec-tiles. Did you not learn with Myrmidon?
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#2122 - 2013-04-24 13:43:06 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
I'll just leave this here: Gallente are a primary drone race? Look at the new Dominix. Now look at the new Armageddon. Now back at the Dominix. Get it?

And removing hybrid bonus from Dominix is fine and well. Except of course it totally breaks the progression. Frigate droneboat is hybrids/drones. Destroyer drone boat is hybrids/drones. Cruiser drone boat is hybrids/drones. Battleship drone boat is drones and...drumroll please...projectiles! That's right, say it with me, pro-jec-tiles. Did you not learn with Myrmidon?



Projectiles.. or tachyons with NOS :P At least the dominix will be able to feed the tachyons that the apoc cannot :P
Jizzmaster Mckenzie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2123 - 2013-04-24 14:12:29 UTC
A 108 page threadnaught, and CCP Rise has not returned.

Can we have at least an acknowledgement from someone on Dev team that they are still thinking about Gallente BS? Or is it a done deal?

I really hope not. The new Sentrinix is awful Roll
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#2124 - 2013-04-24 14:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
I'm not sure how more optimal would work for anyone who uses combat drones instead of sentries. Perhaps add some more speed to the drones themselves as well as tracking like the algos. Maybe mwd and normal speed boost. I think the geddons ability to drain cap is just better than what the domi offers.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2125 - 2013-04-24 14:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Jizzmaster Mckenzie wrote:
A 108 page threadnaught, and CCP Rise has not returned.

Can we have at least an acknowledgement from someone on Dev team that they are still thinking about Gallente BS? Or is it a done deal?

I really hope not. The new Sentrinix is awful Roll



He has returned int he amarr thread. You cannot hope him to return to all 4 threads. You need to check each one always.

PERSONNALY I like the sentrynix. But i can agree that the bonuses are very pingeonholing it and that may make a lot of people unhappy.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
#2126 - 2013-04-24 14:50:45 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Jizzmaster Mckenzie wrote:
A 108 page threadnaught, and CCP Rise has not returned.

Can we have at least an acknowledgement from someone on Dev team that they are still thinking about Gallente BS? Or is it a done deal?

I really hope not. The new Sentrinix is awful Roll



He has returned int he amarr thread. You cannot hope him to return to all 4 threads. You need to check each one always.

PERSONNALY I like the sentrynix. But i can agree that the bonuses are very pingeonholing it and that may make a lot of people unhappy.


The Dominix will be a solid mission boat, except of course against Explosive, as always.
The Navy Domi will be an AWESOME mission boat, assuming it gets the same bonuses as the standard flavour version.
The Navy Domi MIGHT be an solid Incursion boat.

But the PvP Domi will be a piece of junk compared to the Geddon, or the Mega, or maybe even the Hyperion.
Why would anyone fly a Domi as anything but a Sentry alpha doctrine boat. And the Navy Vexor will fill that role, albeit at a much shorter range. But I would take a much more agile, and likely cheaper Navy Vexor over the Domi in that role.

Plus, given that Sentry drones have a 4 second lag before firing, now we are looking at something like 9-12 seconds of time from the start of a Domi locking to damage being applied to a cruiser hull. That would be rather useless in anything other that large stationary fleets engaged in massive fights.
Marxzo Andoun
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2127 - 2013-04-24 14:56:32 UTC
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:


The Dominix will be a solid mission boat, except of course against Explosive, as always.
The Navy Domi will be an AWESOME mission boat, assuming it gets the same bonuses as the standard flavour version.
The Navy Domi MIGHT be an solid Incursion boat.

But the PvP Domi will be a piece of junk compared to the Geddon, or the Mega, or maybe even the Hyperion.
Why would anyone fly a Domi as anything but a Sentry alpha doctrine boat. And the Navy Vexor will fill that role, albeit at a much shorter range. But I would take a much more agile, and likely cheaper Navy Vexor over the Domi in that role.

Plus, given that Sentry drones have a 4 second lag before firing, now we are looking at something like 9-12 seconds of time from the start of a Domi locking to damage being applied to a cruiser hull. That would be rather useless in anything other that large stationary fleets engaged in massive fights.


Yeah, the Sentrynix is the ultimate AFK ratter. Is that exciting to you?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2128 - 2013-04-24 15:02:07 UTC
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Jizzmaster Mckenzie wrote:
A 108 page threadnaught, and CCP Rise has not returned.

Can we have at least an acknowledgement from someone on Dev team that they are still thinking about Gallente BS? Or is it a done deal?

I really hope not. The new Sentrinix is awful Roll



He has returned int he amarr thread. You cannot hope him to return to all 4 threads. You need to check each one always.

PERSONNALY I like the sentrynix. But i can agree that the bonuses are very pingeonholing it and that may make a lot of people unhappy.


The Dominix will be a solid mission boat, except of course against Explosive, as always.
The Navy Domi will be an AWESOME mission boat, assuming it gets the same bonuses as the standard flavour version.
The Navy Domi MIGHT be an solid Incursion boat.

But the PvP Domi will be a piece of junk compared to the Geddon, or the Mega, or maybe even the Hyperion.
Why would anyone fly a Domi as anything but a Sentry alpha doctrine boat. And the Navy Vexor will fill that role, albeit at a much shorter range. But I would take a much more agile, and likely cheaper Navy Vexor over the Domi in that role.

Plus, given that Sentry drones have a 4 second lag before firing, now we are looking at something like 9-12 seconds of time from the start of a Domi locking to damage being applied to a cruiser hull. That would be rather useless in anything other that large stationary fleets engaged in massive fights.



You know what would be a great dominix bonus? 10% per level extra remote armor repair :) Dominix woudl become a VERY powerful spider tanking battleship....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Jovat
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2129 - 2013-04-24 18:54:36 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

You know what would be a great dominix bonus? 10% per level extra remote armor repair :) Dominix woudl become a VERY powerful spider tanking battleship....


It doesn't need that to be a powerful spider tanking battleship. Changes to dominix are good. People are freaking about about nothing. -12% DPS in the absolute worst case, but much more tank, more grid, and more applied drone dps.

The gank boat with 2000 dps now does 1750 dps, oh noes, but has nearly twice the tank.

Most other fits, the rails, lasers, projectiles, RR, neut, smartbomb, get more powerful, and more unexpected.

The problems with the domi is drone control range, combat drone speed, and no way to recall sentry drones outside of 2500 meters, and not enough drone bay for 3 flights of heavies and a flight of lights or mediums.

I'd like 425m drone bay, sentry drones that have a mwd to return to the drone bay, and a speed boost to combat drones, but I'm glad the split weapons system that got unused or underutilized on most fits is going away.
Jovat
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2130 - 2013-04-24 19:01:29 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
I'll just leave this here: Gallente are a primary drone race? Look at the new Dominix. Now look at the new Armageddon. Now back at the Dominix. Get it?

And removing hybrid bonus from Dominix is fine and well. Except of course it totally breaks the progression. Frigate droneboat is hybrids/drones. Destroyer drone boat is hybrids/drones. Cruiser drone boat is hybrids/drones. Battleship drone boat is drones and...drumroll please...projectiles! That's right, say it with me, pro-jec-tiles. Did you not learn with Myrmidon?


Myrms are often fit with autocannons because of falloff and cap... unless you want to do damage and can afford the cap then you use neutrons or pulse lasers as a better brawler or kiter.

Not sure why people think that projectiles are always used on unbonused turrets, because they aren't. Domis will use pulse, rails, neutrons, autocannons or just RR. They wont use 1400s or tachs because they don't have the grid for it.
Marxzo Andoun
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2131 - 2013-04-24 19:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Marxzo Andoun
Jovat wrote:

It doesn't need that to be a powerful spider tanking battleship. Changes to dominix are good. People are freaking about about nothing. -12% DPS in the absolute worst case, but much more tank, more grid, and more applied drone dps.

The gank boat with 2000 dps now does 1750 dps, oh noes, but has nearly twice the tank.

Most other fits, the rails, lasers, projectiles, RR, neut, smartbomb, get more powerful, and more unexpected.

The problems with the domi is drone control range, combat drone speed, and no way to recall sentry drones outside of 2500 meters, and not enough drone bay for 3 flights of heavies and a flight of lights or mediums.

I'd like 425m drone bay, sentry drones that have a mwd to return to the drone bay, and a speed boost to combat drones, but I'm glad the split weapons system that got unused or underutilized on most fits is going away.


So you really brought up a laser domi... and smartbombing *droneboat* domi as valid arguments?

You seem to be looking at just numbers as a result of tiericide without thinking what it means for picking a ship to bring to battle, barring the RR domi which is actually somewhat interesting.

Why would anyone sit in station and fit up a Domi for anything other than sentry sniping given all the other ships that would fill the roles you listed above? Humor value?

Be practical if you want to be taken seriously.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#2132 - 2013-04-24 19:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
Not a single Gallante BS that can fit a full rack of 8 anymore with the proposed changes. Bonus's aside, it was nice to have that as an option. In my opinion.

Would think ships would get roles, not an entire race. Dont like drones?......too bad..find another race to fly.
Tom Guhl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2133 - 2013-04-24 21:10:34 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Not a single Gallante BS that can fit a full rack of 8 anymore with the proposed changes. Bonus's aside, it was nice to have that as an option. In my opinion.

Would think ships would get roles, not an entire race. Dont like drones?......too bad..find another race to fly.

Because the Catalyst, Thorax, Brutix, Talos, Megathron etc. are so drone dependent.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#2134 - 2013-04-24 22:06:27 UTC
Marxzo Andoun wrote:
Why would anyone sit in station and fit up a Domi for anything other than sentry sniping given all the other ships that would fill the roles you listed above? Humor value?

Be practical if you want to be taken seriously.

What does the domi won't be able to do the hybrid turret bonus allowed it to do ?
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#2135 - 2013-04-24 22:16:28 UTC
Tom Guhl wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
Not a single Gallante BS that can fit a full rack of 8 anymore with the proposed changes. Bonus's aside, it was nice to have that as an option. In my opinion.

Would think ships would get roles, not an entire race. Dont like drones?......too bad..find another race to fly.

Because the Catalyst, Thorax, Brutix, Talos, Megathron etc. are so drone dependent.


Catalyst, Talos...full rack. Cheap gank, and PVP ships. As I fly.
Tom Guhl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2136 - 2013-04-24 22:43:36 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Tom Guhl wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
Not a single Gallante BS that can fit a full rack of 8 anymore with the proposed changes. Bonus's aside, it was nice to have that as an option. In my opinion.

Would think ships would get roles, not an entire race. Dont like drones?......too bad..find another race to fly.

Because the Catalyst, Thorax, Brutix, Talos, Megathron etc. are so drone dependent.


Catalyst, Talos...full rack. Cheap gank, and PVP ships. As I fly.

So you've abandoned your point about Gallente being exclusively droneboats? K
Marxzo Andoun
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2137 - 2013-04-24 22:59:16 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:

What does the domi won't be able to do the hybrid turret bonus allowed it to do ?


I'm actually not hung up on the hybrid bonus, unlike some people. I don't like the new bonus to be so sentry-specific in the state sentries are now. The bonus to non-sentries is extremely minimal - which has already been covered to death in this topic.
Gargantoi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2138 - 2013-04-24 23:12:16 UTC
stop complaining about the dominix most of you guys pvp wise fitted 5 heavy neutrons + 1 neut or 2 neuts +4 blasters in high slots anyway u didnt fit large blasters cuz there was no powergrid simple as that so u are just talking **** atm ..the problem with dominix that ccp isnt taking in consideration is that it will have 450 dps witouth drone damage upgrades ..that beeing said ...u should change the drone dmg bonus to 15%/20% / lvl OR make it able that domi can drop +1 drone / lvl ..do something like ..."special ability" can control +1 more drone / bs lvl ..so in conclusion it will have 900 dps with 10 ogre in lvl 5 skills ...everyone who fits a pvp dominix either remote rep fits it / neut fit no mater how u look at it it wont have drone dmg upgrades ..they will prefer BUFF over that so u should consider taking a dps boost on drones for the domi and by doing that u can remove some of the turrets ..like be able to use 3-4 turrets but anyway ..battleclinic is full of kills search domi's ccp ..they either RR or have heavy neutron blasters ..not large guns ...medium ones
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#2139 - 2013-04-24 23:15:58 UTC
Marxzo Andoun wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:

What does the domi won't be able to do the hybrid turret bonus allowed it to do ?


I'm actually not hung up on the hybrid bonus, unlike some people. I don't like the new bonus to be so sentry-specific in the state sentries are now. The bonus to non-sentries is extremely minimal - which has already been covered to death in this topic.


hp bonus or maybe a scram/disruptor range bonus.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#2140 - 2013-04-24 23:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
Tom Guhl wrote:

So you've abandoned your point about Gallente being exclusively droneboats? K


No, my point would be, that it shouldnt stop when it gets to Battleships. As these changes will make.