EVE General Discussion

…and that is just the nature of evolving games where new skills are added: people who have played longer have more, and people who start later have more skills to wade through.

No. Largely because your scenario doesn't reflect what's going on in the game: that everyone gets the same deal. All that's happening is a bit of time shifting, and the only “strange” thing about it is that unlike with most additions, this shift does not happen on patch day but roughly one month before. So how is it in any way absurd that the status quo is retained? That no-one gains or loses any abilities? Or, more relevantly, how is this status quo more absurd than saying that just because some people retained their abilities, all the others should be given tons more?

Yes, it clarifies that you are unduly focused on an irrelevant stat: SP. The only thing that matters is ability, and abilities remains completely untouched.

Sure. Could you give a reason why some people should be given new abilities just because others retain theirs?

Fixed. So that's a no, then, as expected. It's ok, we've already established that you realised why I was right all along and that you're just evading the question now, constantly moving the goalposts and injecting straw men in a desperate attempt to say right.
As you're so fond of saying: /discussion.

thing is, your comparison for 2 is flawed in that you're talking about access to space/land.

Older players are not getting anything that the newer players cannot get. CCP's not locking you into (or out of) anything after the patch.

A better example (still horribly flawed) is that

1. US changes driving laws in 2014 that you need a "standard transmission" license if you want to drive a car with standard (manual) transmission.
2. anyone with a current licence is granted "std transmission" license, provided that they own/lease a car with a standard transmission.
3. anyone who isn't licensed by 01/01/14 (or doesn't have a std transmission car) defaults to the "automatic transmission only" license, but can test to have the "full" license.


That's all that CCP is changing/adding with the skill change things.

After this patch, you're "encouraged" by the skill trees to stick more with one race -- not that you're encouraged these days to train everything -- specialization >>>>>>>>> versatility.

For example, I could only fly an Oneiros for months before I even considered being ready (support-skills wise) to fly any of the other logi boats. Amarr was the easiest (just needed energy transfers), but Basi/Scimi took forever (shield tanking, remote shield xfer, etc).

What I find amusing is that you new players do not realise is that training every single racial and battlecruiser to level V is really not necessary at all especially for such young players, and in some cases it is actually detrimental as your skill clone cost is soaring.

But I can't blame you for trying to max out your skills as this knowledge comes with experience. I'm only sticking to two of the racial BC myself as have no need for the other two. My suggestion would be to go for level IV on each skill, that will give you more that enough benefit and you will still be capable of flying each BC if you wish for a fraction of the time. Then you can train soemthing which is actually fun. :)

So changes are made for the benefit of the noobs ....and then we get a noob complaining about how us veterans want it all our way and how this change SO much benefits us.


That alone wasn't enough offcourse , no the OP needed to be one of the most stubborn posters on the forum and keep shouting how unfair it is to the noobs.



These are the times where i want to give the new players the ''old playstyle'' again.Just to show how much it all changed to make it a crapload better for new players.

Hell, you can even keep the fractured-state scenario:

1. US gets split into UCAS, CAS, NAN and CFS in 2017 after the treaty of Denver.
2. All old US permanent residents are granted quadruple residencies by default, and can thus travel freely just like before.
3. Anyone wanting to become a resident after 2017 has to go the respective embassies to apply for the full set of permanent residencies so they can travel freely too.

The only difference is that the old geezers got it in the mail, whereas the poor newbies have to make those trips to the embassies (which the old ones had to do too, at some point, btw). Oh, and the old guys will have to carry around extra leafs in their old passports to signify this new and complicated setup — something the old passports were not always designed for, and which makes them break more often.

Just mentally inject the word “version” and it all works out. Nothing is ever new these days — it's all just revisions (good and bad) of the old.

…and then there's the whole training time vs. speed gain to consider. It's not quite as large an affect as the ISK, but it's there nonetheless.

The difference in skill training between +3 and +5 implants is 767,250 SP, and that training earns you a training speed increase of 180 more SP per hour (assuming you get a set that always cover what you're going to train). That means it takes 4260 hours / 177 days to earn back the time spent on training the Cybernetics skill.

And both were correct.

No problem for the responses it is our pleasure. I won't bother reading the rest of your post and will assume you have realised that you were behaving like a self entitled baby, and you have calmed down now we have pointed out to you that you can still achieve BC and Dest if you stop complaining on the forums and play the game.

I've been around a lot longer than a year, and I *still* stick with +4s. Because the extra training speed the +5s grant simply isn't as important as what I'm doing day-to-day. I can use the ISK that +5s cost elsewhere to better effect, and I have no pressing need to learn skills faster than I already do.

I'm sure some will think I'm 'doing it wrong' but I really don't see the need. Just like there are a lot of skills that I'll never train to 'V', as well. Cost/benefit just isn't there for me.

Yea, but then you gotta decide if your going to be a Mage or a Shaman. Good thing is that Tir Tairngire is a great place to Vacation in the summer..

Next thing you know the OP will be complaining that old people get a pension paid to them regularly, and that it's hideously unfair that newborns don't. OP can GTFO my lawn.