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DEC-AGEDDON

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#61 - 2013-04-23 15:04:35 UTC

This should just about cover it.


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Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?

Mudro
Vestal Keepers
Embers of the Void
#62 - 2013-04-23 15:17:42 UTC
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?
Castor Narcissus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-04-23 15:31:01 UTC
Can you add my corp to your list?

Thanks.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-04-23 15:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#65 - 2013-04-23 15:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Seriously you're still not offering a prize or other financial incentive?

Also I can't believe you guys are in DEVIL, I wasn't aware they had let their standards slip that much. Although these days letting incompetent morons into your alliance seems to be the trendy thing to do.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-04-23 15:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Seriously you're still not offering a prize or other financial incentive?


Orca and Charon kills achievable by a couple of misfits without large alliance, logi or hot-drop backing isn't incentive enough? :)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#67 - 2013-04-23 15:39:42 UTC
I already declare war on carebears, if you want me to declare war on more carebears you're going to have to do something to make that happen.
Castor Narcissus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-04-23 15:42:08 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering


Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed.

Either you want to believe it or not, CCP needs money to pay their servers and its employees, they will not let a good portion of the EvE player base leave the game or rumors of EvE online spread to the outside, be a PvP only game instead of the sandbox everyone hears about.

Use wardecs for ransoms, kick corps out of certain system, hurt high sec logistics of certain corps.
Don't use wardec to "nerf" something that needs time to get tuned, I'm sure it's in the best CCP interest for people to use more low sec, but it can't be one of you idiots going full retards and nerf **** without thinking.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-04-23 15:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Castor Narcissus wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering


Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed.
...

Nerfing is happening already.

Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec.

Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts...

If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer.

Either way, its time for a restatement of values, rather than under-the-covers nerfing by stealth.



Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-04-23 15:58:29 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Castor Narcissus wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering


Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed.
...


Nerfing is happening already.

Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec.

Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts...

If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer.


You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-04-23 16:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Frostys Virpio wrote:

You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.

Thats the spirit!

Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears?

Sinking in yet?

Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#72 - 2013-04-23 21:21:20 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.

Thats the spirit!

Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears?

Sinking in yet?

Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!


er I think you might get more replies like that if you actually wardec corporations that are actually interested in pvp.

Then again I doubt you will because they will actually fight back.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.

Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#73 - 2013-04-23 23:39:21 UTC
I'm really surprised at all the negative responses to the OP. It seems like a great idea, and a lot of fun could be had.

One of the things I've noticed about living in nullsec is that its a lot more profitable to go into highsec to mine. Which just seems odd to me. But if all the nullsec alliances made a habit of deccing and roaming in highsec that might start to turn around as highsec corps dock up or disband.

And think of all the POS's going up in smoke! I actually kind of like POS bashing, just something about a big fleet with a lot of DPS and logi + cap support. You never know if someone is going to show up with a counter fleet. And some of the tower defenses are a challenge all on their own.

Or maybe rather than destroy them the owners could be given the option to pay rent on them. That could be a nice source of income and a good conflict driver as alliances fought for the new rental income.

And that really could be a great solution for the conflict averse; rather than hide in an NPC corp they could pay rent to a protective agency. They could just fleet up and join a regional intel channel, so the PvPers get an expanded intel network and some passive income, and the miners have some help avoiding gankers and war deccers.

This dynamic would also expose new players to the world of spaceship warfare sooner and perhaps present it in a more appealing light than the way it is described by the conflict averse players who live near to the starter systems.

But the starting point for this kind of interaction is more war declarations on POS owning corps in highsec.

+1 OP, sounds like a great direction for Eve.
Ginger Barbarella
#74 - 2013-04-23 23:43:32 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Are you :sadpanda: at the constant nerfing of EvE?


No.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Are you frustrated with the lack of targets to pew?


No


Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Do carebears and their constant lobbying for bubble-wrapping of their mission & mining ships get up your nose?


No.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
There is an answer...


Stop fail-posting?

And referencing the disgraced attorney doesn't help your post any.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#75 - 2013-04-24 08:14:59 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.

Thats the spirit!

Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears?

Sinking in yet?

Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!



Hey, you forgot to put a link in this post.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#76 - 2013-04-24 10:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Castor Narcissus wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering


Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed.
...

Nerfing is happening already.

Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec.

Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts...

If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer.

Either way, its time for a restatement of values, rather than under-the-covers nerfing by stealth.



Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?


I lolled.

I think PvPers need to htfu or gtfo with regards to carebears, because their way too sensitized to the idea of nigh-risk free pve game play.

Want expensive ganks of idiots in shiny ships?

Why dont you buy some shiny ships, fly them down to low-sec (old school freighter convoy style) and start some pew?

no?

Thought so.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-04-24 10:06:09 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Mudro wrote:
Where are all these threads about carebears complaining?

Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...

Ouchie leads to carebear tears,
carebear tears lead to petitions,
petitions lead to nerfing,
nerfing leads to suffering

you mean there is no real evidences of carebear tears exist? And there is only rumors?

Ok

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

rswfire
#78 - 2013-04-24 10:36:07 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
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You talk a great deal about how highsec players cry and complain about griefing and wardecs. Many people do not seem to agree with you, so you say it takes place in the form of petitions. You also talk about this game in a rather nostalgic manner, wanting to return it to its roots of ten years ago, ignoring the fact that all good things evolve over time, and that if they did not, they would simply stagnate and eventually die. You are, in fact, wishing for the death of Eve with this campaign of yours.

I don't know who you are, and I've never heard of your corp, but I do know your alliance. It decced us when we formed our first corporation. We were very new. We started out with a goal of bringing new players together, where they could figure out what career paths they wanted to take in Eve and to work toward the goals they had set for their characters. We just wanted to make some friends, socialize, learn together, and have fun.

We were not PvP'ers, but we were not by any stretch of the imagination ignorant to the way Eve is. We know damn well that highsec isn't safe.

Your alliance griefed us for a period of three weeks. And I can assure you, nothing that was done to us "desensitized us" to the idea of PvP. We did our best to fight back, even taking the fight to you directly on the minute the wardec went into effect. We lost our first ship to pilot error, where he shot at another pilot that was a member of your alliance just one day prior but had dropped corp before the wardec went into effect, and thus he received a Concord response. That's how new we were.

Those three weeks were miserable. We could not fight your alliance. We didn't have the skills or the experience. We engaged your alliance in fleet three times, dying horribly every time. At that point, only a week or so in, we gave up trying to fight you and began trying to evade you. This, of course, did not matter, as you simply used locator agents to find us and pick us off one-by-one. During our second week, we hired The Ghost Army, because it was truly the only thing we felt we could do to try to protect ourselves. And thanks to them, this story had a semi happy ending.

All in all, however, your alliance did somewhere around 10B in damage to us, a brand new corp, not even a month old, to a bunch of truly new players to the Eve community. I believe you wanted to crush our spirits, and you did a pretty good job of that. It wasn't about desensitizing us. It is simply how you derive enjoyment out of Eve. You don't need to make excuses for this. Just be honest and say that you like deccing people weaker than you, for whatever perverse reason.

You weren't able to get us all to disband or leave Eve, but you certainly caused us enough harm that we now permanently pay for the assistance of two highsec merc alliances to deal with crap from people like you. And we have never once complained here or anywhere else. We've never filed a petition. We've not asked CCP to do a damned thing for us.

Your entire premise is wrong. You don't want to hear it, refuse to believe it, but you are what is destroying eve. Not us.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#79 - 2013-04-24 10:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


Written by James315, a idiot megalomaniac with a god complex who actually thinks he makes some kind of difference to this game (he doesn't, just to clarify), and therefore not worth reading.

Most of the anti-high-sec PvPers are pussies. I spent a great deal of time defending high-sec carebears in wars and as soon as a PvP capable ship turns up they **** their pants and hide like little girls. I fooled one highsec bully corp into war deccing an old corp of mine who lived in lowsec. As soon as they found out we were lowsec pirates and not carebears, they dropped the dec... Because highsec PvP bullies can't PvP... they're crap.

I've been based out of high sec again for a little while now. So if your going to run some war decs then add my corp to your list. But if your too pussy to come looking for fights, then don't bother.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
#80 - 2013-04-24 10:41:29 UTC
Eve isn't for everyone. Just because you get dec'd and can't deal with it doesn't mean Eve is dying. Last I checked it's been growing for 10 years as this kind of game.

Not every game is for everyone, and that's fine. Just because you and your crybaby don't like Eve and quit doesn't mean it's dying.

For what it's worth when I was 2 weeks old in the game my corp got dec'd by a vastly superior force. We lost a lot of frigs but it was a lot of fun and we all learned how the game works. Sounds like rswfire hasn't learned jack.