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Dave Stark
#261 - 2013-04-24 06:08:01 UTC
this thread is at 13 pages?

christ. didn't we already decide the OP is a moron and nobody should get free sp for making bad choices?
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#262 - 2013-04-24 06:09:23 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Abraham Nalelmir wrote:
1- I am a new player, I dropped all my Guardian plans, T2 large guns plans, even I delayed hull upgrades 5 just to train BC to 5
2- They "decided" they are responsible for their decision
3- Giving them 2 million SP FREE to allocate anywhere is not fair for me, I who spent 1.5 months maxing out BC & Destroyers with all racial frigates/cruisers skills

I have joined after the titan nerf and after caps were kicked out of high sec, am I entitled to have a titan and a cap in my starting home system?


U still get 6mil SP, which is way better than 2.


6 mil SP spent somewhere you now regret is way worse than 2m unallocated SP. If you're willing to consider someone who regrets not training BC, why won't you consider someone who regrets the opposite?


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2013-04-24 06:13:35 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#264 - 2013-04-24 06:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?

The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is?

Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity.
LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#265 - 2013-04-24 06:17:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?

The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is?

Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity.
LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.


It is if u buy PLEX for isk.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#266 - 2013-04-24 06:19:14 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?

The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is?

Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity.
LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.


It is if u buy PLEX for isk.

Because PLEX randomly pops out of veldspar asteroids and Guristas pirates, right?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#267 - 2013-04-24 06:23:14 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/




The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#268 - 2013-04-24 06:27:44 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?

The ever-growing EVE that isn't free to play like LoL is?

Besides, why does it matter that EVE has 500,000 subscribers instead of 50,000,000? We're going for quality here, not quantity.
LoL isn't even an MMORPG, so I don't know why you're trying to compare it to EVE anyway.


It is if u buy PLEX for isk.

Because PLEX randomly pops out of veldspar asteroids and Guristas pirates, right?


Of course dude, of course
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2013-04-24 06:30:19 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/




The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.


It implies that you can't make everyone happy on this issue. You probably will gain more support as time X comes closer, but the fact that you can't make everyone happy will still be true. This is why CCP makes wide-sweeping changes to the skill tree like this so rarely. At this point if they changed anything, they'd have to give another 6 months as warning so people could prepare for the new system, whatever that would be; and at some level you must know that's not going to happen. I don't want to tell you you're fighting a hopeless battle, so I won't tell you about the hopeless battle you're fighting.
dark heartt
#270 - 2013-04-24 06:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Let's take League of legends. Players ask for sale there all the time and no1 writes like' hey I paid for that char full price, so u have too'.
Even when I bought a char for full price and it was put on sale 2 weeks later I never flamed about it, because I've already been enjoying it for 2 weeks.

But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.'
U guys forgot that EVE just a game.

Yes, lets.

There are no "skill point" sales in league. There are "Aurum" sales. Kind of like EvE has PLEX bundle sales.

This relates to character progression how? Oh right, you can buy boosts in league that increase leveling speed for noobs, kind of like buying PLEX to fund implants in EvE.

Also, the reason people tell you to deal with it when you buy a character that then goes on sale, is the sales are announced well in advance. Sound familiar?

They reduce in-game prices of old characters over time. Kind of like EvE is about to reduce training requirements on specialized ships. Both have the same goal - to help a new player catch up to a competitive level.

You're just mad that I have every single champion in the League. That **** took effort. Err, made a skill plan that gave me what I wanted out of the skill changes.

(Disclaimer: I don't actually have every single champion in league - any more, since I started playing EvE I'm about 10 short)


League of legends only and always helps newer players by slowly cutting advantages of older players.
LoL would be the same as EVE if everyone who starts playing that game is forced to purchase characters in their release order. Do u think anyone would play it?
Supporting newer players is the only viable option as older players get bored by the game/change lifestyle etc. CCP on the other hand does the opposite.
EVE growing year by year. But who are they? New players? Returnig? Alts?
LoL has over 30 mil accounts. Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?


You cannot compare Eve's growth to LoL. LoL is a casual focused game with a competitive side and a gradual learning curve. Eve is a very hardcore competitive focused game with a steep learning curve (and a niche market to boot). However the number of current active subscribers has overall been growing and there is no way that all of them are alts and returning players.

There will be no SP reimbursement for people who were unprepared. This is Eve to its core. Everything in Eve is unfair and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't play.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Dave Stark
#271 - 2013-04-24 06:46:35 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/




The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.


no you won't.

stupidity is a constant.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#272 - 2013-04-24 06:55:33 UTC
I demand a cut for doing nothing!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#273 - 2013-04-24 07:05:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/




The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.


no you won't.

stupidity is a constant.


U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy
Johno R
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2013-04-24 07:50:55 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


If this thread hasn't shown you that there really isn't, then I don't know what to say :/




The amount of approving posts here does not imply anything. I'll gain more support as time X comes closer.


no you won't.

stupidity is a constant.


U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy

As I was reading, I was thinking of posting something along the lines of

"Don't worry so much about it. In a couple of months time you won't even remember about this event. I bet for you that it seems now as if everything takes so long to train, and that EVERY other player has more skillspoints than me, therefore being inherently better.
Seriously once you start getting key skills to lol 5, you use you're first T2 ship or weapon (if you aren't already) time won't be such an issue. Here, take some of this weed and chill :)"

But seriously? "U cry like a 10-year old"?
Come on man, don't be stupid like that. It will just add fuel to the thread flame
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#275 - 2013-04-24 07:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


League of legends only and always helps newer players by slowly cutting advantages of older players.
LoL would be the same as EVE if everyone who starts playing that game is forced to purchase characters in their release order. Do u think anyone would play it?
Supporting newer players is the only viable option as older players get bored by the game/change lifestyle etc. CCP on the other hand does the opposite.
EVE growing year by year. But who are they? New players? Returnig? Alts?
LoL has over 30 mil accounts. Can u remind me how much ever-growing EVE has?

Name one MMO that can boast of
A: Being 10 years old
B: Apart from the occasional glitch, such as Incarna and its fallout, having a steady increase in subs during that those 10 years.

You can exclude World of Warcraft, its subs are up and down like an elevator, depending on whether or not Blizzard has released a new expansion for purchase.

Most MMO's spike early and then fade or go pay to win/ free to play. The beauty of Eve, unlike 99.9% of MMOs, is that there is no end game content. Old players don't get bored and leave, as evidenced by the considerable amount of people who have actively played since Eve was in beta, they instead create their own content, which incidentally is much better than dev content and is one of the major attractions of the game, and ridicule the instant gratification gamers.

I'm a relative newbie at coming up on 4 years, your experience as a newbie is much much better than it used to be, CCP are altering the skill queue to make it easier for new players to compete with those of us that have been playing for a while. They're introducing new skills for Destroyers and Battlecruisers, which at the moment are the exception not the norm, to bring them in line with the racial skill system that already applies to pretty much every other ship in the game, which will increase the time needed to fly them, however they're also reducing the time required to get into some of the other ship classes, including some that previously took a considerable time investment to get into.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#276 - 2013-04-24 08:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
What about...NO !!!!

Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?

So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"


How hard is this to understand???

EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?

Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?

Because they're special snowflakes?

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Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#277 - 2013-04-24 08:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrow Disca
You
Why
Are

The OP can't even put the effort into typing 3 little words. No wonder you fails at planning ahead. No free SP for you, the rest of us had to give up time in our skill plans to earn this SP. You have done nothing and therefore get nothing, this is how it works in Eve.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-04-24 08:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Executioner Shazih
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What about...NO !!!!

Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?

So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"


How hard is this to understand???

EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?

Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?

Because they're special snowflakes?


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.
Frying Doom
#279 - 2013-04-24 08:43:44 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What about...NO !!!!

Why should someone not willing to have those skills get free SP when we, who have spent lots of time training for, are getting NONE ?

So let's get this straight once and for all: no one is getting FREE SP !!"if you could fly it before you will be able to fly it after"


How hard is this to understand???

EDIT: Why should I loose SP or ability to fly all of my T3's, T2's and Command ships when I can already do it now ?

Why people that haven't invested time in training all frigates/cruisers at 5 Destroyers and battlecruisers at 5, all T2 ships at least at 4 and all T3's subs and skills, get 2M free Sp?

Because they're special snowflakes?


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.

It is not a gift, it is a reward.

A gift is something given freely, a reward is something earned. Those who spent the time earning Destroyer V and BC V, have earned the new racial skills.

They chose to sacrifice now for a future payout, you did nothing and still want a future payout.

Not going to happen.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#280 - 2013-04-24 08:45:06 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I guess there is a fraction that would satisfy both.


The fraction that the Eve community is willing to offer you as compensation is 0/8ths now, with additional weekly payments of 0/8ths up to the date of release. After that you're on your own.

They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.