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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2013-04-23 23:10:52 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?"

Tell them it's 20th Century dubstep Big smile

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#22 - 2013-04-23 23:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Zedzed Nyne wrote:
I love playing EVE. I keep quitting but, in the words of Al Pacino, "Just when I think I've escaped, it pulls me back in". (Or something like that.) Trouble is, as a reasonably senior Exec in a global Corp in 'real life' - and having a young family and other 'real' responsibilities that middle-age brings - I don't have a great deal of spare time - and I certainly can't plan it around EVE.

Question: Am I alone in this? Is there anyone else who is in the same situation and wants to share game advice? If not, I'll just sail off into the sunset and leave New Eden for the under-[insert key demographic here].

Thank you for listening.
Not hardly. Blink
I'd say that the demographic here is somewhat older than your typical MMO, and many, many of us have families.

Personally, I have a family, and dogs, and a lot of responsibilities (from which I am presently playing hooky - but not for much longer. Ugh )

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?"

Tell them it's 20th Century dubstep Big smile

Lol
Skrillex from the dark ages.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#23 - 2013-04-23 23:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Diablo Ex wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military.


Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;)


My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school.



If only CCP would give us sandcaster turrets and incorporate line of sight combat so we could hide behind obstacles...

This! ^

Zedzed Nyne wrote:

... and it was searching for 'Elite' that brought me to EVE around three years ago. The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s - and Elite was truly awesome (even if docking was frustrating).

Likewise. Cool

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

...possibly Wing Commander.

OK, now you've done it! Lol

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-23 23:43:22 UTC
I remember playing SPCWAR on CompuServe with a 300 baud modem. The upgrade to 1200 baud was great. The long distance phone bills were not.

Quoting the Four Yorkshiremen "And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.."
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#25 - 2013-04-23 23:43:24 UTC
Zedzed Nyne wrote:
... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s ....
My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........'

Tsk, youngsters....Blink

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-04-23 23:45:02 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military.


Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;)

My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school.



Awesome games, Traveller and Mega Traveller. I often think of them when fitting a ship in EVE. Cool

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#27 - 2013-04-23 23:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Zedzed Nyne wrote:
... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s ....
My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........'

Tsk, youngsters....Blink

48k? you were spoilt, 16k rubber beer-mat is where it was at, still got mine. It lives in the cupboard with a ZX81, BBC B, Vic 20, C64, Amiga 500 and an Acorn Archimedes, all in working order, unfortunately the Atari 2600 that lives with them got water damaged and no longer functions, should really get the multimeter out and figure out what's broke.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#28 - 2013-04-24 00:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Zedzed Nyne wrote:
... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s ....
My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........'

Tsk, youngsters....Blink

48k? you were spoilt, 16k rubber beer-mat is where it was at, still got mine. It lives in the cupboard with a ZX81, BBC B, Vic 20, C64, Amiga 500 and an Acorn Archimedes, all in working order, unfortunately the Atari 2600 got water damaged and no longer functions, should really get the multimeter out and figure out what's broke.
I have a similar collection - an old Sinclair, Vic-20, C-64, C-128 (2 of them!) and an old SX-64. I also have an un-opened carton of 8-inch low-density single-sided floppy disks, and an old Bournouli drive with 2(!) 20-meg disks.


Manny Moons wrote:
I remember playing SPCWAR on CompuServe with a 300 baud modem. The upgrade to 1200 baud was great. The long distance phone bills were not.

Quoting the Four Yorkshiremen "And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.."


Back when I was SysAdmin for NRDJAX, I had an old 300-baud modem still in production - this was in the late 90s. Took me six weeks to find where it was hidden, and when I did, I couldn't take it out of production. It was connecting a ZUG-25, running a kluge batchfile that connected to a legacy supply system in Crystal City - And there were no systems in place to replace its necessary function.
:: headdesk ::

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Shao Huang
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-24 00:20:18 UTC
Old... and many 'responsibilities' in life. Among other things I am a researcher for one of the national scientific research organizations. I am new to EVE, but ooooold to games. I like EVE because... well... you can't win EVE. There is no where to get to, that you have not self generated. Probably true of many things, but very explicit in EVE. This also means that 'pace' and participation and all these things are up to me, regardless of whatever may have become socialized in the game itself. In part because I am oooold, senile and cranky I also do not care much at all about such socialized versions, expectations about or arbitrary assessments people may have about my play and such. I plan to fully take advantage of this aspect of a 'sandbox' environment.

Additionally, I am also combining aspects of my participation with things that contribute to my work and attempting to allow my work to contribute to my game experience, rather than drawing hard fixed boundaries about all of this.

I have also done a great deal of 'leadership development' with executive leaders and in very large organizations. Strategic planning, large scale change... all over the world, for several decades.

The leaders of the large alliances in EVE have to deal with many, many of the same dynamics and their insights and reflections are really very good. Some fo these dynamics are even amplified since their 'workforce' is primarily only moved by intrinsic values. Learning to work with that as a leader or CEO is no small thing and some of them seem amazingly adept and successful at it. I recommend actually trying out organizational strategies you might use in your company in an EVE corporation. There are many places where the utility breaks down, but there are many places where, if you were aware of that you could actively test things in a way that was fun, posed no risk to your RL corporation and contributed to the game and other players. Think of it as an organizational petri dish where the constraints having to do with it being a 'game' amplify and make more visible some dynamics, while distorting or deleting all together other sorts. Oddly, it serves as a 'controlled' environment for such learning. At a systems level, EVE is a human system and so shares all the properties of that with an actual corporation such as your own. There are very serious movements in educational reform that are looking at and trying out all sorts of aspects about this.

As a noob in a similar position, these are my thoughts, such as they are.

I failed to notice, or may have noticed and forgotten in my encroaching senility... has anyone said: get off the lawn ya damn kids! If not it surely needs to be included in this thread.

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Sodium Canine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-04-24 00:35:58 UTC
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-

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Deimos Ovaert
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-04-24 00:50:58 UTC
Sodium Canine wrote:
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-


Oh yes! Some of my fondest memories of gaming were in the hundreds(?) of Afrika Korps games we played together.

I also fit the general motif of the "Grey Hair Brigade", 40+, kids, business owner. I play when I can, skill when I can't. It's almost as if EVE were made for the over 40 play style and that's what keeps me subscribed.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#32 - 2013-04-24 01:00:33 UTC
Sodium Canine wrote:
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-

I lived not far from their offices. Which is not as good a thing as one might think. Roll

Interstingly, as I played their various games, I gravitated back to "Tactics II" more and more.
Also "Wooden Ships and Iron Men."

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-04-24 01:01:03 UTC
Im older than New Eden and have a lot of responsibilites.


1. Be in a corp thats more of a social club.
2. Dont ever have any management in this game
3. Dont join a nullsec alliance that makes demands of its players. Nothing worse than having a teenage FC who is a sef diagnosed Aspie telling you what to do and how to play your game.


Apart from that welcome to the club. 
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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-04-24 01:02:10 UTC
Sodium Canine wrote:
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-


Bunches. Micro or pocket games from other companies too like Heltank, Warp War, and Ogre. I got hooked on Starfleet Battles out of those (that one game more complex than EVE.)
Deimos Ovaert
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-04-24 01:05:27 UTC
Tank Talbot wrote:

Bunches. Micro or pocket games from other companies too like Heltank, Warp War, and Ogre. I got hooked on Starfleet Battles out of those (that one game more complex than EVE.)


Ogre is a great game.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#36 - 2013-04-24 01:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Tank Talbot wrote:
Sodium Canine wrote:
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-


Bunches. Micro or pocket games from other companies too like Heltank, Warp War, and Ogre. I got hooked on Starfleet Battles out of those (that one game more complex than EVE.)

Ogre. GEV. Rivits. Melee and Melee: ITL. Death Test, Death Test II. Car Wars. Oh, god - Car Wars!
Many, many of the old Metagames and Steve Jackson games. GURPS is a nice try, but Melee was just better. Enough rules to do anything you want, and no cumbersome extras.

I've actually played Car Wars against Steve Jackson (draw - his cars all burned, but we lost far more $$ than he did). My friend almost ran him over at one of the early BaltiCons. Accident, of course - but that didn't stop Rich from making a bumper sticker: "I ran down Steve Jackson."


Edit:
Actually, my friends and I were the responsible parties who invented the "WeaponCon" prank as a protest against the stricter weapons policy at BaltiCon 6, I think it was. I still have some of the original flyers, somewhere.

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#37 - 2013-04-24 02:16:03 UTC
Sodium Canine wrote:
Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-


I still have my box edition of AH's Starship Troopers

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Loan--Wolf
Ace's And 8's
#38 - 2013-04-24 02:34:33 UTC
ok im old 45 but some of you guys are giveing new meaning to the name dust 514

haha jk dont pod me
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-04-24 02:35:09 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
3. Dont join a nullsec alliance that makes demands of its players. Nothing worse than having a teenage FC who is a sef diagnosed Aspie telling you what to do and how to play your game.

lol

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#40 - 2013-04-24 02:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Loan--Wolf wrote:
ok im old 45 but some of you guys are giveing new meaning to the name dust 514

haha jk dont pod me

We're so old that we fart dust Lol
Just for reference, I got my first computer at the age of 11, only a few years after seeing Star Wars open in the cinema, since then spaceships have been my gaming drug of choice.

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