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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#141 - 2013-04-23 21:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Man, I really wish you could downvote posts. That one just rustled my jimmies.
I could have 'gone off' on that bit of silliness, but really, that'd be like sandblasting a soupcracker. Amusing for a second, but rather pointless.

We've discovered the root problem (which you nicely articulated), and we can move on now. The thread is essentially done now, save for further sandblasting of the soupcrakers' crumbs.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#142 - 2013-04-23 21:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
silens vesica wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Man, I really wish you could downvote posts. That one just rustled my jimmies.
I could have 'gone off' on that bit of silliness, but really, that'd be like sandblasting a soupcracker. Amusing for a second, but rather pointless.

We've discovered the root problem (which you nicely articulated), and we can move on now. The thread is essentially done now, save for further sandblasting of the soupcrakers' crumbs.



Well just wait. The week before the expansion we will be flooded with these posts. The week after, posts seeking free remaps.

Remaps..and clone cost whines.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#143 - 2013-04-23 21:07:14 UTC
This idea is just ridiculous. Can I have a free 10,000,000 SP just because I've been playing 3 years and not 10 ? Pretty please ?

Sheesh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-04-23 21:09:05 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Let's take League of legends. Players ask for sale there all the time and no1 writes like' hey I paid for that char full price, so u have too'.
Even when I bought a char for full price and it was put on sale 2 weeks later I never flamed about it, because I've already been enjoying it for 2 weeks.

But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.'
U guys forgot that EVE just a game.

Yes, lets.

There are no "skill point" sales in league. There are "Aurum" sales. Kind of like EvE has PLEX bundle sales.

This relates to character progression how? Oh right, you can buy boosts in league that increase leveling speed for noobs, kind of like buying PLEX to fund implants in EvE.

Also, the reason people tell you to deal with it when you buy a character that then goes on sale, is the sales are announced well in advance. Sound familiar?

They reduce in-game prices of old characters over time. Kind of like EvE is about to reduce training requirements on specialized ships. Both have the same goal - to help a new player catch up to a competitive level.

You're just mad that I have every single champion in the League. That **** took effort. Err, made a skill plan that gave me what I wanted out of the skill changes.

(Disclaimer: I don't actually have every single champion in league - any more, since I started playing EvE I'm about 10 short)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2013-04-23 21:09:24 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Well just wait. The week before the expansion we will be flooded with these posts. The week after, posts seeking free remaps.

Remaps..and clone cost whines.
I'm thinking about making one of those myself. P

Or, well… perhaps not so much about the cost as about the SP limits. The 120M limit was so perfect for my plans, and now I'll end up at 123 when all is said and done. I suppose I could just as well keep going to the next limit then…
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#146 - 2013-04-23 21:09:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Man, I really wish you could downvote posts. That one just rustled my jimmies.
I could have 'gone off' on that bit of silliness, but really, that'd be like sandblasting a soupcracker. Amusing for a second, but rather pointless.

We've discovered the root problem (which you nicely articulated), and we can move on now. The thread is essentially done now, save for further sandblasting of the soupcrakers' crumbs.



Well just wait. The week before the expansion we will be flooded with these posts. The week after, posts seeking free remaps.

Remaps..and clone cost whines.
I shall call you Cassandra, Sir! Blink
Oh, wait... that won't work, 'cause I believe you. Lol

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-04-23 21:10:08 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I want official CCP response.


LOL hahahah. The OP thinks they are going to get an official CCP response for this???..... *Resumes Laughing Hysterically!" :)
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#148 - 2013-04-23 21:19:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
The only disadvantage is to someone who has pvp in command ships of all four races as their goal, all on the same character for some reason.
Actually, while I haven't checked since they rejiggered the CS prereqs to include more leadership skills, last I checked, going for all 8 command ships was actually several million SPs under the new scheme than under the old one, since you no longer had to go for the entire Logi+HAC cruiser branch.

Sure, with the leadership skills added in, it won't be quite as much, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still hellalot cheaper and faster than before.


You're right, I forgot about that part.

In other words, it's a disadvantage only to noobs that expect to fly everything with all 5's miraculously catching up to 10 year vets without buying a 100+ mil sp character. Or the odd "I want to pvp in all teh battlecruisers" guy.

I wonder if OP would want Titan 5 for all 4 races while at it.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#149 - 2013-04-23 21:23:36 UTC
I have removed some posts that broke the rules. Not all of course, although that would shorten the thread considerably.
Maybe next time, so please behave...Blink

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#150 - 2013-04-23 21:24:10 UTC
Georgina Parmala wrote:
... Or the odd "I want to pvp in all teh battlecruisers" guy.


Hey now, im not odd, I just like having alot of choices. Big smile

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-04-23 21:34:04 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Black Cadelanne wrote:
This is exactly the attitude of today's society. Do nothing and get it all


I'm not supposed to do anything. I pay for this game as everyone else. But I see that I'm put into disadvantageous position over older players by CCP change (concerning combat ships) and I don't like. All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here. I want official CCP response.


Lets revert the Orca change so you have to spend months training mining barge to fly it instead of 14 days.

Lets revert all the learning skills so you have to train them all up before training something which you want to train.

Lets revert all the tiericide changes so you have to spend months training into a tech 2 ship before you can compete with more advanced players.

CCP is doing a lot for newbies like yourself which older players didn't have, and yet you just complain more.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#152 - 2013-04-23 21:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
*** Post edited for continuity and flow, quoted posts removed as well ***

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#153 - 2013-04-23 21:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:

Exchanged . . . at a 4:1 ratio. There is nothing to "reap." You're not "winning" the skill queue. You just joined the game several months earlier than some people . . . and feel entitled to a gigantic influx of free SP (sorry, "reap the rewards")

I invested the time to train up those skills, so that I could fly those ships. Why should I lose the ability to do so?
The SP is largely irrelevant with the exception of increased clone cost, each ship class has a skill cap, and this change is all about not depriving players of the ability to fly the ships they have already trained for.

Talking about fail, you should also learn to quote properly, shiptoasting V is required though, and that comes with time, it's not given away.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#154 - 2013-04-23 21:42:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:

Exchanged . . . at a 4:1 ratio. There is nothing to "reap." You're not "winning" the skill queue. You just joined the game several months earlier than some people . . . and feel entitled to a gigantic influx of free SP (sorry, "reap the rewards")

I invested the time to train up those skills, so that I could fly those ships. Why should I lose the ability to do so?
The SP is largely irrelevant with the exception of increased clone cost, each ship class has a skill cap, and this change is all about not depriving players of the ability to fly the ships they have already trained for.


You shouldn't have to lose them - not even the OP is saying you should.

And the SP is highly relevant - it's a prereq to flying the ship.

It's about equity for new(er) players.

I am not an alt of Chribba.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#155 - 2013-04-23 21:43:09 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.'
U guys forgot that EVE just a game.


Eve is one of the best games available and has been going for almost ten years because CCP doesn't listen to tards like you. Tards who will constantly complain that they want everything instantly, and as a result cause the game to be dumbed down so much that it becomes a rubbish version of pink ponies online. You and others of your ilk may have achieved that in other games, but the only solution you will get to your self entitled complaints in Eve is to biomass yourself.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#156 - 2013-04-23 21:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:


You shouldn't have to lose them - not even the OP is saying you should.

And the SP is highly relevant - it's a prereq to flying the ship.

It's about equity for new(er) players.


The SP is irrelevant, a new player can buy a character with eleventy billion SP, and still not be able to fly any of the ships that character has the skills for properly, the real skills lie in knowing what the ship and its systems are capable of, and knowing how to get the maximum out of them, something that comes with time, and exploding a lot. In other words, real world knowledge and skills are way more important than the SP.

Equity? So you're basically saying that new players should be able to fly the same ships that I've invested months in training for, simply because they're new? GTFO this isn't some marxist utopia.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ginger Barbarella
#157 - 2013-04-23 21:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
That's why I propose recompensation.


You want compensation for lazy decisions? Really? I'd call "troll" on your post but I have a feeling you're serious.

Edit: jeezus, the entitlement attitude of some people around here is stunning!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2013-04-23 21:45:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

I want official CCP response.

For this..?!
Roll

'Want' in one hand and poop in the other. See which one fills up first.
Your whinging sense of self-entitlement is jawdropping.


Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
All posts like 'deal with it' are not valid here.

So are all self-entitled "gimmee gimmee gimmeee things I didn't earn" posts. You knew coming into the thread you were going to get hammered. You admitted it in almost your very first words in this thread. Knowing that, you have the temerity to complain that you've recieved precisely what you predicted..? !
Words fail.

I say again: This is EVE. EVE is harsh. HTFU or GTFO.


The only reason I expected criticism is that I already know that EVE society is corrupted. But it does not make my post invalid in any way. The only reason players stand against me is their detrimental way of thinking (if i suffered, every1 should suffer).
Concerning the posts that say like 'it took me XX days to train to capital ships and u only need xx days doesn't make any sense because u already enjoyed piloting dreadnought for XX days while I haven't.



Would you rather CCP bill you for the time you would in turn owe them for having to train those skills to the same levels?

That's what you're asking for.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#159 - 2013-04-23 21:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Hmm. Interesting.
Heh.
Twisted



BSMD, do you realize that CCP has stated that they're going to be giving the huge influx of SP, and this is not decision of the players? That CCP has shown us the path, in detail? That CCP has allowed us to follow the path they've detailed?
That the influx of SP will grant us NO NEW ABILITIES?

It's clear that: 1) You think we're getting something special out of this - We are not. And 2) That you don't understand this.
In response to your failure to understand, that you (and the OP) want compensation for a harm that is not happening. You want freebies for yourselves, which you can place anywhere, whilst those of us who have planned ahead get nothing but what we've already earned.

That is not a tenable position, Sir.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#160 - 2013-04-23 21:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
And the SP is highly relevant - it's a prereq to flying the ship.
No. The SP doesn't determine what you can fly. The skills — or, more accurately, the abilities they unlock — do. These abilities are retained so that everyone can do exactly the same thing they could do before, and no-one gains any new or loses any old abilities. The status quo of “power” remains exactly the same.

Quote:
It's about equity for new(er) players.
How is it equitable to hand out abilities to newbies, but not to older players? How is it more equitable than letting everyone's abilities remain exactly the same?