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Odyssy ICE depletion...ICE RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION
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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-04-23 20:59:39 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.

Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh*

EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.


The fjords were a nice touch. Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-04-23 21:40:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.



to be fair though, even double the isk/hour of ice is still less than ore.



Double gather rate and make ice field need to be scanned down and the revenu might skyrocket tho. Again as said before, I don't see the current null population as really interested in mining. Maybe a proce hike would change the mind of some but there is way too much ice produced in high by bot army/afk miners. You won't really be able to bot it if you have to scan the site first...
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#83 - 2013-04-23 23:38:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high.



Why would that be bad?

EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers.

Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing.

Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move.


you say that like there isn't already a resource in such a situation.
No - I say that like I don't want another resouce in that condition.
My corp can run along fine without large quantities of Tech. Without large quantities of ice products, we'll have to move back to K-Space, and that would pretty much be the end of the corp - and we're a long, long way from being alone in that condition.

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-04-24 03:30:19 UTC
They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp...

Oh. Ooooooh.

Shocked
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-04-24 03:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
silens vesica wrote:

My corp can run along fine without large quantities of Tech. Without large quantities of ice products, we'll have to move back to K-Space, and that would pretty much be the end of the corp - and we're a long, long way from being alone in that condition.



CCP has a choice. If they want to make it tougher to live in w-space, then they go ahead with this change to make ice a bit more difficult to obtain. If they want to make it easier to live in w-space, then they can add some of these new ice belt grav sites, or whatever they are, to w-space. Either option is open.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#86 - 2013-04-24 06:59:44 UTC
Xython wrote:
They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp...

Oh. Ooooooh.

Shocked


Source... linky? Who is this mysterious 'they' you speak of that hath said 'plan on moving ice to null exclusively'?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
pussnheels
Viziam
#87 - 2013-04-24 07:06:15 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss:
How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?
Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV.
Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?



stop speculating and wait , you will only make peoiple very dissapointed when CCP finally decides to release the relevant info nwith all these speculations

i do ot think it will be that much different then what it is now

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Johno R
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-04-24 07:20:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
MrDiao wrote:
CCP even believes that tripling the profit of mining can attract more players coming into the badly designed stupid gameplay without losing subs eventually.


who wouldn't want 100m/hour for doing a max of 5 clicks every 2 mins.

???
Warp to ice field, target chunk of ice, activate lasorz.
Dock.
I count 4

:P but seriously, why not just randomly include ice chunks in regular asteroid fields all over the galaxy? Remove the dedicated ice fields, no special module required to find it, stops bots maybe? Or at least slow them down. Puts more emphasis of mining fleets/teamwork
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-04-24 08:59:10 UTC
"speculation"

The world might end this year.

The world as we know it might end this year to become peace love and rock&roll.

The life we're used to is about to change in drastic ways we will or not easily adapt to it and maybe blow up everything.

If my grand mother had balls she would be my grand father.

The sun will turn in to red giant soon.

Tomorrow it will rain.

Eve will die soon.

"Cloud" system might be successful soon.

There will be a grand tsunami soon.



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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-04-24 10:17:57 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
It would be a pretty sad state of affairs if it cost a billion a month or more to fuel a basic POS, something which people should aspire to do, because all the ice was moved into null.

But yes, from personal experience, nullsec mining is rarely done except for when surrounded by a large buffer of blues. These minerals and ice almost all go towards the local POS towers.


That would be great in fact. Too many POSs already around.

ICe mining could very well be moved to unknown space :)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-04-24 10:18:50 UTC
Johno R wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
MrDiao wrote:
CCP even believes that tripling the profit of mining can attract more players coming into the badly designed stupid gameplay without losing subs eventually.


who wouldn't want 100m/hour for doing a max of 5 clicks every 2 mins.

???
Warp to ice field, target chunk of ice, activate lasorz.
Dock.
I count 4

:P but seriously, why not just randomly include ice chunks in regular asteroid fields all over the galaxy? Remove the dedicated ice fields, no special module required to find it, stops bots maybe? Or at least slow them down. Puts more emphasis of mining fleets/teamwork



To warp to ice field you need 2 click.. one to select the field.. other to select warp to command

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Dave Stark
#92 - 2013-04-24 10:20:06 UTC
Johno R wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
MrDiao wrote:
CCP even believes that tripling the profit of mining can attract more players coming into the badly designed stupid gameplay without losing subs eventually.


who wouldn't want 100m/hour for doing a max of 5 clicks every 2 mins.

???
Warp to ice field, target chunk of ice, activate lasorz.
Dock.
I count 4

:P but seriously, why not just randomly include ice chunks in regular asteroid fields all over the galaxy? Remove the dedicated ice fields, no special module required to find it, stops bots maybe? Or at least slow them down. Puts more emphasis of mining fleets/teamwork


except, that's not even close to 100m an hour.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-04-24 10:55:12 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss:
How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?
Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV.
Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?



Better yet, what if all tech moons were moved out of null?

Mr Epeen Cool


Wouldn't really change anything.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-04-24 11:27:00 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
My corp can run along fine without large quantities of Tech. Without large quantities of ice products, we'll have to move back to K-Space, and that would pretty much be the end of the corp - and we're a long, long way from being alone in that condition.


I think that is the crux of this situation. If ice mining because harder to do and therefore prices rise and availability drops, the people who are affected the most are POS owners.

Corps that rely on easily accessible or cheap ice products would find their position untenable.

Now we don't know if ice mining is going to be harder to do. It could be that you undock, throw out some probes, and find some nice ice belts in less than 5 minutes and then you'll have your supply of ice for the day to mine.

If it's where you have to spend more than 15 minutes scanning or have to jump to multiple systems to find ice, I could see people giving up the profession as regular mining would be easier.

If that happens then corps with a POS will be proverbially pooped on and have to give up their POS as most of them will be running unprofitably.

I just would like to think CCP has thought this through or we might be facing a threadnaught of angry POS owners of massive proportions.

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Phoenix Bibbs
Imperium Cartel.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#95 - 2013-04-24 21:36:36 UTC
Xython wrote:
They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp...

Oh. Ooooooh.

Shocked


I can taste the tears now.
Lady Areola Fappington
#96 - 2013-04-24 22:05:19 UTC
The following quotes from Soloman and Soundwave are pretty telling on the future of ice.

Quote:

CCP Soundwave - “We’re going to be tinkering around with minerals. Personally I’d like to see some changes to ice, for example. There’s a lot of interesting opportunities there. I think ice is very underplayed as a very tactical resource. Like it should essentially be the oil of Eve Online... It would be good if it was something that people thought about instead of something you get from endless mining barges in Empire that may or may not be piloted by people.”

CCP Solomon - “One of the key drivers for this work we’re doing, and this come a lot from the CSM Summit, is people are looking for resource contention and acquisition to involve more people. They were concerned that it was too static and it was in the hands of the few. And rather -- we don’t necessarily want to stop that -- but rather encourage large-scale organizers to lobby more people in terms of gathering and exploiting these resources and working the space. So just systems have more of a feeling that they are busy and there’s activity going on there. That’s very much been a driver when we’ve been looking at this resource work and kind of the high-level goals we want to hit.”



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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-04-24 23:31:21 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Xython wrote:
They have said for over a year now that they plan on moving ice to null exclusively. No one should be shocked when it happens, possibly with some form of... Exploration revamp...

Oh. Ooooooh.

Shocked


Source... linky? Who is this mysterious 'they' you speak of that hath said 'plan on moving ice to null exclusively'?


I believe it was CCP Soundwave, around last year's Fanfest. They have been fairly open about this, but I still expect people running 27 ice miner bot accounts at a time to be surprised when they suddenly can't do that anymore.
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
#98 - 2013-04-24 23:50:56 UTC
I already bought all the ice
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-04-25 00:00:42 UTC
Last year CCP Soubdwave ect also where talking about RING MINING as an option to end the TECH monopoly,of a few alliances.We all know that it isnt going to happen in the forseeable future.CCP have also talked about modular POSes but again its not happening in the foreseeable future.ICE harvesting will stay as it is mostly,and still be in high sec,though the fields could deplete ,just as the ore fields do.If anything is going to happen iconcerning ICE its most probibly that option,and just maybe the introduction of higher yei;ding ice types from COMETS or wharever that you will have to scan down.But to really make it worthwhile for players perhaps COMETS or RING MINING (when it happrens ??)could also yeild ALLOYS. as well as the ore /ICE
Lady Areola Fappington
#100 - 2013-04-25 00:28:46 UTC
We heard a lot of similar "they can't do it it'd destroy the market" arguments when discussion went around about removing drone poo.


Well, drone poo is gone, the economy is still here. Same thing will happen when CCP wipes out Ice from highsec.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide