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Dren Visteen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-04-23 00:48:24 UTC
Does anyone know how the bonuses are going to be changed?

I read that along with the skills needed to fly command ships, ccp was changing the bonuses given to the ships. Has anyone seen a dev post any info about these changes yet?

-- Dren
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-23 01:59:42 UTC
All gang link bonuses are being changed, though I swear it's on the devblog for the summer ship change.

Art of Explosions
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#3 - 2013-04-23 02:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
As I cannot find the original Dev blog here are the changes (taken from the pic I dl'd of them).

Command Ships: [hint there are 2 per Race]

  • Now = 0/3% bonus to ONE Warfare type per race.

  • After = 3/3% bonus to TWO Warfare types per Race.

    • Strategic Cruisers (T3):

  • Now = 5% bonus to ONE Warfare type per Race.

  • After = 2% bonus to THREE Warfare types per Race.

    • Gallente gains Armor bonus
    Minmatar gains Shield bonus
    Amarr gains Speed bonus
    Caldari gains Info bonus (those poor bastards)

    T3's get all but 1 bonus per race (Gallente = no Shield, Minmatar = no Info, Amarr = no Shield, Caldari = no Armor).

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Zan Shiro
    Doomheim
    #4 - 2013-04-23 02:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
    DeLindsay wrote:
    Caldari gains Info bonus (those poor bastards)




    I don't see them gettting info warfare as being so bad. Mix one vulture with a mix say shield cane/harb /drake crew and slap in 1 infowarfare for the falcon/scorp in the crew. Could be a good mix. Would have liked skirmish more but I guess I can let amarr have it so they stop whining about plate weight and less speed. If thier fleet booster hasn't skilled up skirmish, thats on them to find a better booster now lol.
    Barrogh Habalu
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #5 - 2013-04-23 04:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
    Zan Shiro wrote:
    I don't see them gettting info warfare as being so bad. Mix one vulture with a mix say shield cane/harb /drake crew and slap in 1 infowarfare for the falcon/scorp in the crew. Could be a good mix. Would have liked skirmish more but I guess I can let amarr have it so they stop whining about plate weight and less speed. If thier fleet booster hasn't skilled up skirmish, thats on them to find a better booster now lol.

    Too much RP in this post.

    Here's the scheme devs posted. It seems that everyone and their dog is getting skirmish bonuses on T3s, that's saying something.

    Also you will have to have Skirmish warfare specialist V just to inject CS skill, so...

    Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
    Goldensaver
    Maraque Enterprises
    Just let it happen
    #6 - 2013-04-23 08:28:24 UTC
    Barrogh Habalu wrote:
    Zan Shiro wrote:
    I don't see them gettting info warfare as being so bad. Mix one vulture with a mix say shield cane/harb /drake crew and slap in 1 infowarfare for the falcon/scorp in the crew. Could be a good mix. Would have liked skirmish more but I guess I can let amarr have it so they stop whining about plate weight and less speed. If thier fleet booster hasn't skilled up skirmish, thats on them to find a better booster now lol.

    Too much RP in this post.

    Here's the scheme devs posted. It seems that everyone and their dog is getting skirmish bonuses on T3s, that's saying something.

    Also you will have to have Skirmish warfare specialist V just to inject CS skill, so...

    Yeah, that's always bugged me. Shield gets the shaft by only being available on 2 races ships, but everybody and their mom, and their dog, and their dog's mom gets skirmish. If skirmish is so damn important that everybody needs it, I think that might be saying something...
    Haulerizer
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #7 - 2013-04-23 13:32:13 UTC
    Zan Shiro wrote:
    DeLindsay wrote:
    Caldari gains Info bonus (those poor bastards)



    I don't see them gettting info warfare as being so bad.


    It depends, in part, on how your ECM is fit. The info links are stack penalized with SDAs. All the info links really do is free up a low slot that would have been used by an SDA on your ECM boats. Most of the time, an unbonused skirmish link is the better choice.

    An info link is a fine choice if you armor fit your ECM. They need all the lows they can get. But If you shield buffer and nano them out, why bother with info links?.. They can fit 3 SDA no problem & they have enough low slots to do what they need to do.
    Roime
    Mea Culpa.
    Shadow Cartel
    #8 - 2013-04-23 14:00:49 UTC
    Info links boost all EWAR strength, their range and increase sensor strength of the fleet, seeing them only as SDA replacement is a pretty narrow view.

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    Chi'Nane T'Kal
    Interminatus
    #9 - 2013-04-23 14:02:45 UTC
    Barrogh Habalu wrote:


    Also you will have to have Skirmish warfare specialist V just to inject CS skill, so...


    Reading comprehension FTW.

    You will only need the BASIC (skirmish/information etc) warfare skills plus the general warfare link specialist skill.
    Maybe take a look at your own link?
    Shpenat
    Ironman Inc.
    Transgress
    #10 - 2013-04-23 14:29:18 UTC
    For the ships themselves no specific values have been posted yet. I personally hope that they will just get better tank bonus and link bonus compared to tech 1 combat battlecruisers. Their DPS should remain the same.

    Also I hope CCP will evaluate the possibility of giving information warfare to Amarr and skirmish to Gallente. It serves them beter being more small gang oriented.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #11 - 2013-04-23 16:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: DeLindsay
    Quote:
    For the ships themselves no specific values have been posted yet. I personally hope that they will just get better tank bonus and link bonus compared to tech 1 combat battlecruisers. Their DPS should remain the same.

    Also I hope CCP will evaluate the possibility of giving information warfare to Amarr and skirmish to Gallente. It serves them beter being more small gang oriented.


    Wrong the info I posted is a direct copy from CCP's picture of the EXACT changes to the CS's and T3, by SPECIFIC SHIP, I just generalized it to save writing a book since I can't find the DevBlog. The CS's are ALL getting better DPS output and the T3's are getting a nerf to the bonus % but gaining (3) link types instead of 1.

    Quote:
    Here's the scheme devs posted. It seems that everyone and their dog is getting skirmish bonuses on T3s, that's saying something.


    That is the picture I was referencing, ty for the post.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Angus McLean
    Militia Federation
    #12 - 2013-04-23 20:19:32 UTC
    Ill be severely disappointed if the Damnation (and the other Fleet CS) don't get an increase in DPS. The Devs stated they wanted to make all command ships combat oriented unless otherwise fit (links), this would put Fleet Command Ships at a horrendous disadvantage in the combat arena if their DPS is left untouched.

    As I interpret it, the Devs are trying to make Command Ships actually fielded more often. Currently Damnations are typically only uses 1 per fleet to boost. Absolutions are too expensive to be used often when a Harbinger can put out similar DPS and slightly less tank for a fraction of the cost.
    Aralieus
    Shadowbane Syndicate
    #13 - 2013-04-23 23:19:24 UTC
    Damnation will be my new favorite ships if it gets decent bonus. Soooooo sexy Twisted

    Oderint Dum Metuant
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #14 - 2013-04-23 23:23:58 UTC
    Well my understanding of that original thread is that all CS's are getting a DPS increase. Now "increase" is loosely worded and they gave no indication of what so they could be talking about 1-100 DPS increase instead OMFG-NERF-OP-CS's like we'd all love hehe. Hell I'd be happy to see a realized increase of 100-150 DPS for each ship type, but something tells me I'm hoping a little high on those numbers. Still any increase paired with dual gang bonuses will certainly make players look more seriously into the HUGE SP sink that is a single Race's Command Ship (compared to any other sub-Cap ship).

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Barrogh Habalu
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #15 - 2013-04-24 05:35:07 UTC
    Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
    Barrogh Habalu wrote:
    Also you will have to have Skirmish warfare specialist V just to inject CS skill, so...


    Reading comprehension FTW.

    You will only need the BASIC (skirmish/information etc) warfare skills plus the general warfare link specialist skill.
    Maybe take a look at your own link?

    I stand corrected then.

    Angus McLean wrote:
    Ill be severely disappointed if the Damnation (and the other Fleet CS) don't get an increase in DPS. The Devs stated they wanted to make all command ships combat oriented unless otherwise fit (links), this would put Fleet Command Ships at a horrendous disadvantage in the combat arena if their DPS is left untouched.

    As I interpret it, the Devs are trying to make Command Ships actually fielded more often. Currently Damnations are typically only uses 1 per fleet to boost. Absolutions are too expensive to be used often when a Harbinger can put out similar DPS and slightly less tank for a fraction of the cost.

    Pretty sure new CSs will have the same role, just with different bonuses and primary weapons system. If anything, Damnation will be losing one of its tank bonuses in favour for damage bonus.

    DeLindsay wrote:
    Quote:
    For the ships themselves no specific values have been posted yet. *snip*


    Wrong the info I posted is a direct copy from CCP's picture of the EXACT changes to the CS's and T3, by SPECIFIC SHIP... *snip*

    I think he was talking about HP, slot layouts, non-link-related bonuses etc. No such data available yet.

    Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
    Shpenat
    Ironman Inc.
    Transgress
    #16 - 2013-04-24 10:39:18 UTC
    DeLindsay wrote:
    Quote:
    For the ships themselves no specific values have been posted yet. I personally hope that they will just get better tank bonus and link bonus compared to tech 1 combat battlecruisers. Their DPS should remain the same.

    Also I hope CCP will evaluate the possibility of giving information warfare to Amarr and skirmish to Gallente. It serves them beter being more small gang oriented.


    Wrong the info I posted is a direct copy from CCP's picture of the EXACT changes to the CS's and T3, by SPECIFIC SHIP, I just generalized it to save writing a book since I can't find the DevBlog. The CS's are ALL getting better DPS output and the T3's are getting a nerf to the bonus % but gaining (3) link types instead of 1.

    Quote:
    Here's the scheme devs posted. It seems that everyone and their dog is getting skirmish bonuses on T3s, that's saying something.


    That is the picture I was referencing, ty for the post.


    Those changes are not set in stone. Just proposed (and will probably happen). The original dev blog can be found here. It also has 50 pages long threadnaught. I will however highlight this comment from CCP Fozzie. He states that switching information to Amarr an Skirmish to Gallente is pretty much on the table.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #17 - 2013-04-24 23:31:08 UTC
    Quote:
    Those changes are not set in stone. Just proposed (and will probably happen). The original dev blog can be found here. It also has 50 pages long threadnaught. I will however highlight this comment from CCP Fozzie. He states that switching information to Amarr an Skirmish to Gallente is pretty much on the table.


    Good point. And boo, I really hope Gallente still gets Armor instead of Skirmish but alas we probably will be the only race with no tank bonus >.<

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    KnightMaire kings
    The Exchange Collective
    #18 - 2013-04-25 00:41:04 UTC
    I hope the damnation doesn't get a tank nerf because there great now so much fun but a real damage buff will help a lot mine peaks at like 300 dps after drones

    I use it for 10 out of 10s in null better tank then my paladin the marauders need a buff if there not to get over shadowed by tec 2 bc's

    and the abso needs some tank fix but there fun to

    The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
    Inkarr Hashur
    Skyline Federation
    #19 - 2013-04-25 02:01:01 UTC
    KnightMaire kings wrote:
    I hope the damnation doesn't get a tank nerf because there great now so much fun but a real damage buff will help a lot mine peaks at like 300 dps after drones

    I use it for 10 out of 10s in null better tank then my paladin the marauders need a buff if there not to get over shadowed by tec 2 bc's

    and the abso needs some tank fix but there fun to

    The damnation is almost guaranteed to be made less tanky so its just like the other ships in its class
    Mister Tuggles
    Dickhead Corner
    #20 - 2013-04-25 09:28:34 UTC
    DeLindsay wrote:

    Caldari gains Info bonus (those poor bastards)



    Ever run in a fleet with TD's, neuts, ECM, etc + info links? It is pretty sexy.
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