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Odyssy ICE depletion...ICE RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION
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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2013-04-21 04:19:28 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Word in the forums about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss:
How would POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?
Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV.
Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?



Better yet, what if all tech moons were moved out of null?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#62 - 2013-04-21 10:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.

Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh*

EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#63 - 2013-04-21 11:10:07 UTC
Lets just hope the next expansion brings balance, resource distribution needs some tweaks. Risk vs Reward is broken in highsec.

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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-04-21 15:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Masuka Taredi
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high.



Why would that be bad?


Exactly. The only reason fuel is the cost it is is due to bots mostly. The market needs shaking up. It will settle over time when those who ACTIVELY mine ice rather than bot get used to a new system. Personally I want to see an end to static ANY belt. move the lot to exploration and be done with it. Make mining be about exploring for that next big ore field. Maximizing on it before others find it.
TravisWB
#65 - 2013-04-21 15:57:53 UTC
eh? The Skiff is a great low sec ice or ore miner. It is fast, has BS tank and is capable of taking out a BS rat, 2 BC rats with a couple of cruiser rats thrown in. All at once and all by itself using its drones.

The Skiff has fast mining module cycle times and in case nobody noticed, most exhumer mining is now NOT afk. Except for the Mackinaw.

And, most of low sec is still barely populated. Mostly all you will ever see there are bands of fail pirates looking to find miners or PI types.

You just wait them out at a pos or in a station. Most low sec pirates have the attention span typical of children.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#66 - 2013-04-23 17:50:08 UTC
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-04-23 17:51:30 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.

Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh*

EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.



Someone answered "42". They also understood =)

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#68 - 2013-04-23 17:56:43 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.




Intriguing most indeed.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#69 - 2013-04-23 17:57:39 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.

Am I the only one that gets this? *laugh*

EDIT: Nope. Late to the party again it seems.



Someone answered "42". They also understood =)

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Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
#70 - 2013-04-23 18:04:50 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.



Darth, source?

My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate.

I have had a couple POS's parked in a hangar in high sec for some time. Sounds like I should sell them now, before he market for high sec POS's crumbles.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-04-23 18:39:41 UTC
Source is data-mined files from test server (by Sarmatiko).
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#72 - 2013-04-23 18:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.



Darth, source?

My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate.

I have had a couple POS's parked in a hangar in high sec for some time. Sounds like I should sell them now, before he market for high sec POS's crumbles.



Source == quote=Uppsy Daisy claiming to see it in some data tables & Mynna claiming that an earlier test server build was void of ice belts

If I was running things though Instead of ICE leaving HI SEC though I'd make ring/comet exploration producing ice in HI SEC & goo in NULL ( should do both in lo IMHO ) dunno what I'd do with ring exploration in WH's though
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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-04-23 18:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Uppsy Daisy
I saw nothing in the data files, just posts on other forums from reliable sources that I am relaying here for the community.

Its all in my compendium
Dave Stark
#74 - 2013-04-23 18:53:13 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW this is interesting...
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
- New Ice Belt names have appeared in some data tables: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.



to be fair though, even double the isk/hour of ice is still less than ore.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-04-23 20:04:18 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:

- T2 Ice Harvester Cycle halved from 500 to 250 seconds, presumably they are doubling ice harvesting rates to balance the difficulty of finding an ice field via exploration.


The difficulty of 10 people scanning 10 systems for a few minutes, then 100 people fleet warping on top of them to mine it dry over the next couple of hours?

Or the difficulty of half the afk ice mininers not bothering any more and current consumption levels requiring double the output per remaining miner?

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-04-23 20:35:46 UTC
I don't know. These ice mining changes make me go "Hrm....."

So does that mean you have to scan down ice belts now?

Will this added step actually cause ice miners to stop ice mining because they only did it in the first place because it was mindnumingly easy to do in turn causing ice prices o go through the roof in turn forcing POS owners out of business?

To me its like they want to put an extra step to just cause frustration for every party involved.

That said, if they made a special version of ice that had two times the yield and only found in exploration sites, then that would be reasonable for the parties that be.

Personally, I am going "meh" because it won't affect me one way or another.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-04-23 20:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
Callduron wrote:
This is demonstrated by the high price of high sec ores relative to low and null sec ore. Scordite pays more than Arkonor partly because of bottlenecks but mostly because there are a ton of people in nullsec clearing grav sites and a lower proportion than anticipated of people in high sec mining Scordite.



As was already pointed out, the vast majority of mining is actually done in highsec.


The reason the prices are the way they are, with relatively cheap nullsec ores and relatively expensive highsec ores, is because highsec miners are mining ice instead of ore.

In nullsec, the easiest way to mine is doing hidden belts in an industry upgraded system. So the few that mine in nullsec do that and export the high ends. This keep high end prices relatively low.

In highsec, the easiest mining is ice because you never have to move. It is easiest to AFK and/or multi-box, and highsec ice belts are packed with miners. This has been keeping ice prices relatively low while low end minerals have stayed expensive since the drone alloy nerf.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#78 - 2013-04-23 20:48:42 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high.



Why would that be bad?

EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers.

Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing.

Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move.

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Dave Stark
#79 - 2013-04-23 20:50:47 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high.



Why would that be bad?

EVE runs on an expanding economy. Any lengthy in-game recession would at the very least severly stress the game and quite plausibly impact subscription numbers.

Moving ALL ice out of Hi into Lo or Nul would put too much of the game's economies in the hands of large blocs, who would then be in a position to really make demands. Maybe they would. Maybe they wouldn't - I'd like to think that the Nul-Bloc folks understand enlightened self-interest, but the possiblity alone would be destabilizing.

Not saying that it would be a bad thing if the balance of where ice spawns shifted a bit, or that the spawn locations migrated a bit like Cosmic Signatures do... But not a wholesale move.


you say that like there isn't already a resource in such a situation.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-04-23 20:58:34 UTC
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:


My trade alt made a decent bundle selling ice products over the weekend, but I have a feeling that I got out of the market way too fast. If this stuff is lining up to be another null sec faucet, price are just going to go stupid, even with double the harvest rate.



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