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Behold, Your Empress

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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#1 - 2013-04-23 16:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Edaine Numenor
Behold, Your Empress (Edit: Additional New Coverage)

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#2 - 2013-04-23 16:44:47 UTC
Sounds like a good party. I don't see what the issue is.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-04-23 16:47:21 UTC
If Empress Jamyl I endorses, as she does, this festivities as they are happening, there is no more argument to be had. The Empire is full of people, a few dozen dead doesn't matter much if the Empress approves it.

That said, event organizers should, probably, be more careful with their displays. Using a figure of Molok, or mocking the Empress are invitations to further chaos and problems.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2013-04-23 16:51:46 UTC
I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress.

If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-23 16:56:28 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress.


Indeed, it is.

The Empress is God's voice in the galaxy, or the closest to it not counting the Scriptures. If she says it is right, then it is, there is nothing else to argue on the issue. Loyalty isn't measured on agreeing when they do what you like, loyalty is tested in the hard times and dark moments when they do. Thus, in such times, when we don't understand the reasons or the plans, we trust our supperiors, our leaders, our elders, to know what is right and guide us. In them, in the Empress, in the Empire, we place our loyalty and our faith, and walk blindly if needed.

That is the amarrian path.

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If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now.


Thing is, I don't believe other factions have the voice of God guiding them, do they? If Tibus Heth had been appointed by God, and thus infallible and not limited by human weaknesses, then I would have no problem with him starting a war against the Gallente, killing his own people, etc. It'd be part of the Greater Plan which I can't understand but follow. Unfortunately, such is not the case, so all he is is a mad man willing to murder his own people for his vision of the future.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2013-04-23 17:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
To our Amarrian allies;

May I suggest that the contracts with Caldari security forces be renewed? These additional personnel could be used to secure sites of limited historical or religious significance, freeing Amarr security personnel to attend to those sites and matters which benefit from their understanding of Amarrian custom and religious strictures.

The presence of strongly-reinforced security forces may serve to moderate these revels, which may better honor the Empress's decree...? I speak as an outsider, so please forgive any ignorance on my part.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#7 - 2013-04-23 17:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient?

Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god.

So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not?

I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#8 - 2013-04-23 17:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: BloodBird
Not surprising to see the Amarrian festivities getting a little out of hand, but it's apparently nothing to major to their highest authorities.

I would advice the average non-Imperial to ignore any possible desire to condemn this in any way. Let the Empire's people do as they please, incidents or no incidents. It has nothing to do with anyone else and frankly, condemning them for their ways would be very hypocritical of anyone who don't like to have their people's ways spat on by anyone else.

I sure don't so I will let them be. And honestly, considering the fact that the scale of these events span over several planets in several systems apparently, it's rather impressive they have not had more serious incidents happening yet.

Anabella Rella wrote:
I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr.


They believe otherwise. That is all there is to it.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#9 - 2013-04-23 17:21:01 UTC
This is why the Human Female Breast should only be used by Qualified Personnel, and Only for the Intended Purposes.

Down With This Sort Of Thing.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-04-23 17:21:37 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient? Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god.


I guess that's the realm of faith. Some have it, some don't. If there was a religion of followers of Heth I'd expect them to believe and accept his decisions. Since I don't follow such a religion, I don't have to.

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So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not?


Yes, I would. No questions asked. The Empress will is above everything else, and if my death can serve the Empire in any way, I will offer it to her without doubt, both in the frontlines as I already have, and in any other way necessary.

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I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr.


You got it all wrong. I tell you why it is the case: the Amarr is an Empire, and a feudal/totalitarian one at that. Question is, why is this wrong? Why shouldn't it be? And why are the non-authoritarian paths any better? Why would one doubt, when the Will of God speaks? I understand that, without God appointed leaders, then critical thought is a virtue as they are men and women and, thus, fallible... but what happens when such is not the case? Then critical thought is the base of doubt, and doubt is the base of failure and weakness to follow the propper path.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2013-04-23 17:22:30 UTC
Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.

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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-04-23 17:23:03 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.


Such appears to be the case, yes.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-04-23 17:25:12 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.


There's nothing wrong with celebrating faith.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#14 - 2013-04-23 17:28:30 UTC
The Empire has billions of people celebrating. While a handful of people dying or being injured is unfortunate, it's bound to happen with any large scale event.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2013-04-23 17:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Ms. Strife; that's not my belief, nor would it be my place to criticize the empress even if it were my belief.

Admittedly, it seems somewhat paradoxical that the highest authority in the largest, longest-lived empire in the cluster would see divinity in chaos, but I am, as said, an outsider. As the Amarrian religion is one that has spanned the ages, I have no doubt that ways of exploring and expressing the faith are many and varied, and that there is a hallowed tradition demonstrated here.

But, again, I am an outsider, and in the State it often seems that such displays are more-- private, or at least discrete.

Still, if this is sanctioned -- as it clearly is -- then it is by no means inappropriate. Indeed, just the opposite.

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Adreena Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
#16 - 2013-04-23 17:58:14 UTC
Amarr indulging in ecstatic cults and celebrations ?

Maybe we managed to teach them something after all.

...................\o\ /o/...................

Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#17 - 2013-04-23 18:31:54 UTC
The only people who can party as hard as the Gallente are the Amarr. People full of such inherent passion for life and purpose, as my wife has proven to me on many a times.

Party on, people of the Empress.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-04-23 18:33:42 UTC
This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#19 - 2013-04-23 18:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
Edaine Numenor wrote:


Said Empress is the only significant figure in Imperial power pushing for the reduction of Slaves kept in the Empire, and the practice's eventual abolition.

Your constant hostility to her reign in public seems to indicate that your organization's goals could probably be better achieved if your leadership were replaced by a particularly verbose flock of geese.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-04-23 18:45:58 UTC
I expect topless-Jamyl costumes (including action swords) to be all the rage at this season's costume parties.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

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