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dueling and webbing freighter in hisec
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-04-23 13:16:20 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You these things called friends.

even then , do you remember one of the first things they teach you on EvE Do not trust anyone

it's ok for few months while you n00b

but then playing without friends you will lose much

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#22 - 2013-04-23 13:55:12 UTC
The reason you use an alt and the duel mechanic is so both the alt and the freighter pilot can be in NPC corps. Members of NPC corps cannot freely shoot each other.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-04-23 13:57:28 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere, but now that you can invite players to duel in hisec, is it possible to have an alt duel your freighter for the purposes of webbing it to jump faster between gates?



Or you know, if you have friends in your corp you could ask them nicely to help you... That is if you don't just afk autopilot your freighter like most do and end up losing it.

Edit: Or get your alt in the same corp?


I haven't dueled so I don't know, but I thought dueling gave you some immunity from outside forces during the duel? If so, then that would be the advantage of dueling vs. having a corpy web you.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-04-23 13:57:32 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Sola Mercury wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to just have both alts in the same fleet/corporation?

Except a NPC corp wouldn't help, and being in the same fleet wouldn't change a bit.


Noone's stopping him from creating his own corp... Except his fear of not yet existand wardecs...

It looks easier than going through the hassle of inviting his alt to a duel and accepting it everytime he enters a system. Might even be faster...


You only have to issue the duel once - the LE timer resets every time you web the freighter. So as long as you're not dawdling, it will never expire between one system and the next.

If you're going to do this, invest in a huginn with dual faction webs. 30 km web range and ~85% speed reduction means you don't have to burn towards the freighter and it will warp off damned near the instant you lock it.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-04-23 13:59:12 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere, but now that you can invite players to duel in hisec, is it possible to have an alt duel your freighter for the purposes of webbing it to jump faster between gates?



Or you know, if you have friends in your corp you could ask them nicely to help you... That is if you don't just afk autopilot your freighter like most do and end up losing it.

Edit: Or get your alt in the same corp?


I haven't dueled so I don't know, but I thought dueling gave you some immunity from outside forces during the duel? If so, then that would be the advantage of dueling vs. having a corpy web you.


Dueling offers you no immunity to attack from others. It just means you and the guy you're dueling won't be visited by CONCORD when you shoot each other.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-04-23 14:09:54 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I haven't dueled so I don't know, but I thought dueling gave you some immunity from outside forces during the duel?

Oh god, no. Can you imagine how horribly abused something like that would be? It would probably ruin the game entirely.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-04-23 14:35:50 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

You only have to issue the duel once - the LE timer resets every time you web the freighter. So as long as you're not dawdling, it will never expire between one system and the next.

this only helps.

However weapon timer.... It makes whole task a lot worse. In small systems (<30AU) your alt will sit in gates and wait this timer to expire while freighter already jumps through gates and needs webbing again.

So if you do it seriously i would advice using 2 alts.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#28 - 2013-04-23 14:36:32 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


You these things called friends.

even then , do you remember one of the first things they teach you on EvE Do not trust anyone

You misunderstand the first rule of EvE.

It is not "trust no one".

It is actually far more difficult than that.

The first rule of EvE is "Learn who you CAN trust, and how far".

If you do not master this skill, you will never accomplish anything of significance in the game.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-04-23 14:46:02 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


You these things called friends.

even then , do you remember one of the first things they teach you on EvE Do not trust anyone


The first thing they teach you on the forums is learn to read ... some people just never learn eh Roll

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#30 - 2013-04-23 15:12:45 UTC
So you duel with an alt to get the freighter into warp faster.....


bloody pirates.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#31 - 2013-04-23 15:52:45 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


You these things called friends.

even then , do you remember one of the first things they teach you on EvE Do not trust anyone



What are they going to do? Reach through your screen and strangle you with the mouse cord?

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The Troll Bridge
#32 - 2013-04-23 17:49:38 UTC
Sobach wrote:
Eve is so cutthroat, you can't trust your own alt.

You never know what your hand is going to do when it's on a separate account!


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fukier
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-04-23 18:22:22 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


You these things called friends.

even then , do you remember one of the first things they teach you on EvE Do not trust anyone


It's almost like the OP said "alt" in his post for a reason.




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fukier
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-04-23 18:23:06 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So you duel with an alt to get the freighter into warp faster.....


bloody pirates.


if said alt is in npc corp this would work imo.
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Ginger Barbarella
#35 - 2013-04-23 21:03:42 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere, but now that you can invite players to duel in hisec, is it possible to have an alt duel your freighter for the purposes of webbing it to jump faster between gates?


Why would you want to fight (duel) your own freighter? Wouldn't the freighter eventually lose that fight, especially if pointed??

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Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#36 - 2013-04-23 21:21:34 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


Don't blame the freighter pilot, I'm just so damn convincing I can make people think I actually AM their alt.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-04-23 21:34:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I haven't dueled so I don't know, but I thought dueling gave you some immunity from outside forces during the duel?

Oh god, no. Can you imagine how horribly abused something like that would be? It would probably ruin the game entirely.


Do duel end if you use a jump gate? If not, well that would be horribly broken over more horribly broken.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-04-24 06:12:45 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I haven't dueled so I don't know, but I thought dueling gave you some immunity from outside forces during the duel?

Oh god, no. Can you imagine how horribly abused something like that would be? It would probably ruin the game entirely.


Do duel end if you use a jump gate? If not, well that would be horribly broken over more horribly broken.

No, it doesn't. How is that broken?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#39 - 2013-05-15 07:47:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
ask yourself , would you really invite a complete stranger to come and web your freighter

i m going to forward the first freighter pilot who does this for the Darwin awards


You these things called friends.


Actually I was thinking of using this thing called a 2nd account. :D
Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#40 - 2013-05-15 07:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Debora Tsung wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere, but now that you can invite players to duel in hisec, is it possible to have an alt duel your freighter for the purposes of webbing it to jump faster between gates?


Wouldn't it be easier to just have both alts in the same fleet/corporation?

They are both in NPC corps, does that mean I can attack NPC corp mates without fear of the pesky porkers?

edit: Safety will prevent you from webbing, even in fleet. I invited to duel and webbed, however u won't be able to pass through the stargate right away. Also web range is 10km, when u both pop out of the stargate your anywhere 24km-34km away, making it pointless.
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