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[Odyssey] Capital Rigs

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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-04-23 16:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Unforgiven Storm
I just hope you grab this opportunity to fix T2 rigs and bring their price range down to acceptable levels!

3 capital t2 trimarks will cost roughly 7.5 bil

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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2013-04-23 16:43:51 UTC
This is a 7.5 Billion isk boost for anyone who already has a T2 rigged supercap. You should seriously consider making existing rigs which are too small for their ship class ineffective to create a level playing field.

Giving the thousands of existing supercapital pilots a 7.5 billion isk advantage over new pilots is too much.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#43 - 2013-04-23 16:44:30 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Will large rigs that are already fitted also work with capital sized modules?

Or would I have to pull off the rigs in order to fit the new capital sized ones?


Answered upthread; The rigs you currently have will continue to work the same way.

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Enochia Starr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-04-23 16:45:32 UTC
mynnna wrote:


Enochia Starr wrote:
I hope that you compensate us for our Large T2 Trimarks on our supercapitals / titans.

Why would they do this? They'll continue to give the bonus just as they do now.



If they change trimarks to Capital Trimarks, then hopefully there is some sort of compensation. However it looks like they wont be changing trimarks over.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-04-23 16:47:02 UTC
Enochia Starr wrote:
mynnna wrote:


Enochia Starr wrote:
I hope that you compensate us for our Large T2 Trimarks on our supercapitals / titans.

Why would they do this? They'll continue to give the bonus just as they do now.



If they change trimarks to Capital Trimarks, then hopefully there is some sort of compensation. However it looks like they wont be changing trimarks over.


...why would you need compensation? Whether they change them or not they'd work exactly as before. If anything, were they to change them they really should be deducting several billion isk from your wallet, the difference between the price of large trimarks and capital trimarks. Lol

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Enochia Starr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-04-23 16:48:13 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Enochia Starr wrote:
mynnna wrote:


Enochia Starr wrote:
I hope that you compensate us for our Large T2 Trimarks on our supercapitals / titans.

Why would they do this? They'll continue to give the bonus just as they do now.



If they change trimarks to Capital Trimarks, then hopefully there is some sort of compensation. However it looks like they wont be changing trimarks over.


...why would you need compensation? Whether they change them or not they'd work exactly as before. If anything, were they to change them they really should be deducting several billion isk from your wallet, the difference between the price of large trimarks and capital trimarks. Lol



Price, unless you want to pay NCDOT for changing over 300 supercapitals to Capital Trimark Armor Pump II (probably 1b a pop)
Fel Wrath
Crossfire Incorporated
#47 - 2013-04-23 16:48:14 UTC
Unforgiven Storm wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
Hey

We're putting capital rigs into EVE. Not much else to say, really. They will work pretty much as you would expect them to.

Some things to note:
* Rigs that previously did not affect capital modules will affect capital modules
** (Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard, Auxiliary Nano Pump and Nanobot Accelerator rigs)
* Tech I BPOs will cost 50 Million ISK
* Manufacturing Capital rigs will use 5 times the materials of Large rigs

Questions? Comments?


will salvage drops increase to balance the demand that this will bring or CCP and keep prices steady or will just let the prices go up and mess with the economy?



The prices on salvage are already pretty low due to so much supply from ninja salvagers and the noctis. It would be a welcome demand source IMO.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#48 - 2013-04-23 16:49:01 UTC
Fango Mango wrote:
Krell Kroenen wrote:
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
Because those large trimark II's just aren't expensive enough.


Well with these rigs consuming 5 times the resources I imagine that will drive up the costs of other rigs as well, at least a wee bit.


I imagine this will drop the prices for battleship sized trimark IIs. No one is going to spend 4.5 billion to rig a carrier or a dread. Therefore demand will drop and prices will drop.

-FM


It will raise the price of all rigs since salvage (especially t2 armor plates and ward consoles) is a resource with a fairly limited supply. Since every new super capital, bling WH cap, or dreads with gun rigs will be using 5x the supply of T2 salvage this will bring the price up.

Probably won't have too much of an effect on the t1 market, at least in the long run, both because supply of materials is larger and the amount of capitals that get rigged everyday is nothing compared to how many battleships do the same.
Llyona
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#49 - 2013-04-23 16:49:42 UTC
xXyoloxXxbroswagxXx420Xx wrote:
Love it.

Spend 1.3b on an Archon then 4.5b on T2 rigs. Good job CCP!


Look at the tools posting like they know what's up. Let's all point and laugh at them!

Seriously, if the MATERIAL price increases by 5x, then that means a T2 rigged carrier will cost you 2.3-2.4b isk.

The math is pretty easy:

Intact Armor Plates x70 - 1.12b

Interface Circuit x85 - 22m

Nanite Compound x55 - 4.73m

RAM x0.2 - 20k

Total: 1.147b

So, we'd get the following as a price calculation: 1.147*2 , then we'd add another 40m for the 3rd rig, which will be T1.

2.334b (This includes a 15% markup)

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-04-23 16:50:57 UTC
Enochia Starr wrote:


Price, unless you want to pay NCDOT for changing over 300 supercapitals to Capital Trimark Armor Pump II (probably 1b a pop)


You're completely illiterate aren't you?

CCP Tallest wrote:
Jane Wade wrote:
do ships with large rigs already in them keep their bonuses?

Yes. Your currently fitted rigs will stay in place and keep their bonuses.

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XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#51 - 2013-04-23 16:52:21 UTC
Llyona wrote:
xXyoloxXxbroswagxXx420Xx wrote:
Love it.

Spend 1.3b on an Archon then 4.5b on T2 rigs. Good job CCP!


Look at the tools posting like they know what's up. Let's all point and laugh at them!

Seriously, if the MATERIAL price increases by 5x, then that means a T2 rigged carrier will cost you 2.3-2.4b isk.

The math is pretty easy:

Intact Armor Plates x70 - 1.12b

Interface Circuit x85 - 22m

Nanite Compound x55 - 4.73m

RAM x0.2 - 20k

Total: 1.147b

So, we'd get the following as a price calculation: 1.147*2 , then we'd add another 40m for the 3rd rig, which will be T1.

2.334b (This includes a 15% markup)


I don't get it.
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
#52 - 2013-04-23 16:54:42 UTC
Woot! Finally time has come for them capital blobbers to pay their pound of flesh to us poor salvagers. CFC, HBC I want your iskies, and you gonna give them to us if you want your capitals rigged. P

P.S. Love you long time CCP!Big smile

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Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-04-23 16:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Yes I like the repair rigs working now.

T2 salvage price will be insane though, that'll be a huge downer.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-04-23 16:58:53 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Llyona wrote:
xXyoloxXxbroswagxXx420Xx wrote:
Love it.

Spend 1.3b on an Archon then 4.5b on T2 rigs. Good job CCP!


Look at the tools posting like they know what's up. Let's all point and laugh at them!

Seriously, if the MATERIAL price increases by 5x, then that means a T2 rigged carrier will cost you 2.3-2.4b isk.

The math is pretty easy:

Intact Armor Plates x70 - 1.12b

Interface Circuit x85 - 22m

Nanite Compound x55 - 4.73m

RAM x0.2 - 20k

Total: 1.147b

So, we'd get the following as a price calculation: 1.147*2 , then we'd add another 40m for the 3rd rig, which will be T1.

2.334b (This includes a 15% markup)


I don't get it.

He's pointing out, probably incorrectly, that you won't be able to fit three T2 trimarks to a carrier. Large T2 trimarks are 75 calibration, though, and a carrier has 400. They'll be fine.

Also, seeing as best case for a Tech II large trimark right now is 18 interface circuits, 16 intact armor plates and 12 nanite compound. That makes it more like 80 IAP, 90 IC and 60 NC for a Tech II capital trimark, which in turn makes the cost more like 1.3b each. Add a 15% markup and hey, wouldn't you know it, the people saying 1.5b per were correct.

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Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#55 - 2013-04-23 17:00:05 UTC
All large rigs on capitals should be un-fitted on a patch day, that would be fair.
Other than that - great change.
Quesa
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#56 - 2013-04-23 17:01:12 UTC
Unless this is a way to lower the cost of large rigs and not a way to increase the cost or component requirements for capital sized mods vs large, this is going to be a bad change.

I can't see a reason to increase the investment needed for a standard capital and we all know that cost has little to do with the proliferation issues this game is having.
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#57 - 2013-04-23 17:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Skia Aumer
And btw, is Orca a capital ship?
Edit: obviously not, over-reacting here.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#58 - 2013-04-23 17:02:12 UTC


unless I missed it, when?

expansion, 1.1 or sometime soon?

OMG when can i get a pic here
Chinicata Shihari
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-04-23 17:02:40 UTC
Llyona wrote:
xXyoloxXxbroswagxXx420Xx wrote:
Love it.

Spend 1.3b on an Archon then 4.5b on T2 rigs. Good job CCP!


Look at the tools posting like they know what's up. Let's all point and laugh at them!

Seriously, if the MATERIAL price increases by 5x, then that means a T2 rigged carrier will cost you 2.3-2.4b isk.

The math is pretty easy:

Intact Armor Plates x70 - 1.12b

Interface Circuit x85 - 22m

Nanite Compound x55 - 4.73m

RAM x0.2 - 20k

Total: 1.147b

So, we'd get the following as a price calculation: 1.147*2 , then we'd add another 40m for the 3rd rig, which will be T1.

2.334b (This includes a 15% markup)

Your maths is very poor. It will cost 1.5bil per Capital T2 trimark at mineral cost. That means 4.5bil for 3 before markup. Thats going to make the price on a armour super sky rocket. So if a fitted aeon costs 22bil now then a fitted aeon afterwards would cost at least 26bil.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#60 - 2013-04-23 17:02:56 UTC
mynnna wrote:

He's pointing out, probably incorrectly, that you won't be able to fit three T2 trimarks to a carrier. Large T2 trimarks are 75 calibration, though, and a carrier has 400. They'll be fine.

Also, seeing as best case for a Tech II large trimark right now is 18 interface circuits, 16 intact armor plates and 12 nanite compound. That makes it more like 80 IAP, 90 IC and 60 NC for a Tech II capital trimark, which in turn makes the cost more like 1.3b each. Add a 15% markup and hey, wouldn't you know it, the people saying 1.5b per were correct.



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