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What exactly are certificates for?
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Chronos Kavees
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#1 - 2013-04-22 18:11:53 UTC
Basically what the thread title says. I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".
Haulie Berry
#2 - 2013-04-22 18:20:18 UTC
They just give a rough estimate of your skills in various areas. Other than that, they don't really "do" anything. You can display them publicly if you want to let your approximate abilities be known, but they're mostly just fluff.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-22 18:50:40 UTC
Chronos Kavees wrote:
Basically what the thread title says. I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".


They don't do anything.

But they are great guidelines in most cases.

And if you look at a ship in EVE, it has a tab with useful certificates to give you an idea what to train.

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Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#4 - 2013-04-22 18:54:33 UTC
They don't do anything, but, like others have said, are a great way to judge a character's (not a player's) capabilities. For example, my character has the Core Fitting Elite certificate, so I know I can take almost any fit and sit it in without implants or (some) fitting modules.

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Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-22 19:13:10 UTC
Chronos Kavees wrote:
I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".


Congratulations, you now have everything you need for PVP :)

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Chronos Kavees
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#6 - 2013-04-22 19:54:10 UTC
Thanks all!

Beckie DeLey wrote:
Chronos Kavees wrote:
I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".


Congratulations, you now have everything you need for PVP :)


I'm working towards piracy so good. :)
Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#7 - 2013-04-22 20:31:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Chronos Kavees wrote:
Basically what the thread title says. I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".


They don't do anything.

But they are great guidelines in most cases.

And if you look at a ship in EVE, it has a tab with useful certificates to give you an idea what to train.


Chronos, typically i agree 100% with J'Poll, however in this instance i differ somewhat.

They are correct that in and of themselves they are relatively useless, however that isn't entirely true. They are Guides to character (toon) development.

When i come to hi sec starter systems and can find a certified noob i alway instruct them to pursue the CORE certs to BASIC on all catagories poste haste. Your CORE competency matters greatly as it affects all aspects of your ships hitpoints, powergrid, etc. You will see immediate fitting ease and greater capacitor times etc. YOUR CORE COMPETENCY certs should be worked up to standards as quickly as possible without sacrificing your initial gameplay experiences. The issue with new players is that they believe bigger is better, so they rush into battleships only to find they simply can't compete with even the PVE environment. It's largely due to the lack of Basic Ship Skills.

Along with Core i also inform them to work on the following certs to basic (Gallente Pilots)

Drones
Defense (All Armor Catagories) *Don't ignore shields though*
Weapons *Hybrids for gallente*

Anyway, you get the gist and it's a very basic crash course. The advice is only meant to fast track the abilities of the ships as the new players fumble around attempting to learn what all the information coming at them means.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-22 21:57:30 UTC
Ilkahn wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Chronos Kavees wrote:
Basically what the thread title says. I have "Propulsion Jammer Operator, Basic".


They don't do anything.

But they are great guidelines in most cases.

And if you look at a ship in EVE, it has a tab with useful certificates to give you an idea what to train.


Chronos, typically i agree 100% with J'Poll, however in this instance i differ somewhat.

They are correct that in and of themselves they are relatively useless, however that isn't entirely true. They are Guides to character (toon) development.

When i come to hi sec starter systems and can find a certified noob i alway instruct them to pursue the CORE certs to BASIC on all catagories poste haste. Your CORE competency matters greatly as it affects all aspects of your ships hitpoints, powergrid, etc. You will see immediate fitting ease and greater capacitor times etc. YOUR CORE COMPETENCY certs should be worked up to standards as quickly as possible without sacrificing your initial gameplay experiences. The issue with new players is that they believe bigger is better, so they rush into battleships only to find they simply can't compete with even the PVE environment. It's largely due to the lack of Basic Ship Skills.

Along with Core i also inform them to work on the following certs to basic (Gallente Pilots)

Drones
Defense (All Armor Catagories) *Don't ignore shields though*
Weapons *Hybrids for gallente*

Anyway, you get the gist and it's a very basic crash course. The advice is only meant to fast track the abilities of the ships as the new players fumble around attempting to learn what all the information coming at them means.


I have bolded and underlined something in my post. You just said the same in more words.

Certs in itself don't do anything, they are guidelines on what to train. Some more important/useful then others though.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#9 - 2013-04-23 05:41:53 UTC
Think of them as "API Lite"

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2013-04-23 09:35:02 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
They just give a rough estimate of your skills in various areas. Other than that, they don't really "do" anything. You can display them publicly if you want to let your approximate abilities be known, but they're mostly just fluff.


Alternatively, you post nothing, or just post things that aren't related at all to what you do. (That is, give no or false intel about your abilities).

Fluff or not, once you get the core certs, Hull Tanking - Elite is an awesome certificate Cool

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Oraac Ensor
#11 - 2013-04-23 14:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Velicitia wrote:
Fluff or not, once you get the core certs, Hull Tanking - Elite is an awesome certificate Cool

For any newbies who might be tempted to take that seriously: don't, it's EVE humour.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-23 15:11:31 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Fluff or not, once you get the core certs, Hull Tanking - Elite is an awesome certificate Cool

For any newbies who might be tempted to take that seriously: don't, it's EVE humour.

Actually, there are a few - a very few - ships that can legitimately hull tank, but they're not the sort of ships that newbies will generally end up flying. (The Taranis interceptor, the Dominix battleship, and the Orca command industrial come to mind, but the first two generally require seriously specialized fits.)

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Kehen Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-04-23 16:10:47 UTC
Concerning these certs, is it better to set them to public view (in order to draw the attention of a potential recruiter, for instance) or let them private ( to hide your true capabilities in a PvP context)?

I' ve been purchasing a lot of these certificates, some at quite a good level (Improved and Elite) to have a balanced set of skills & more than one possibility in my first steps in EvE, but I' ve always been reluctant to show them publicly, especially due to the fact that most of the toons I see don' t make them publicly available.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-23 16:14:16 UTC
Kehen Crendraven wrote:
Concerning these certs, is it better to set them to public view (in order to draw the attention of a potential recruiter, for instance) or let them private ( to hide your true capabilities in a PvP context)?

I' ve been purchasing a lot of these certificates, some at quite a good level (Improved and Elite) to have a balanced set of skills & more than one possibility in my first steps in EvE, but I' ve always been reluctant to show them publicly, especially due to the fact that most of the toons I see don' t make them publicly available.


I personally don't show them.

Most corps ask for an API anyway to check yoru skills and history.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#15 - 2013-04-23 16:52:36 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Kehen Crendraven wrote:
Concerning these certs, is it better to set them to public view (in order to draw the attention of a potential recruiter, for instance) or let them private ( to hide your true capabilities in a PvP context)?

I' ve been purchasing a lot of these certificates, some at quite a good level (Improved and Elite) to have a balanced set of skills & more than one possibility in my first steps in EvE, but I' ve always been reluctant to show them publicly, especially due to the fact that most of the toons I see don' t make them publicly available.


I personally don't show them.

Most corps ask for an API anyway to check yoru skills and history.


If you set them public, you offer players some insight into your character's combat abilities... Although, the players that take the time to check out your certs are far more likely to just lookup your Killboard history and use your past fits to estimate your current fit. It's harder to keep your killboard "private", as you, your corp, your enemy, and your enemy's corp all gain access to any killmails you are involved in, and killmails typically give the more revelvant information to exploit.

In short, it generally makes no difference if you leave it public or not, but any information on you is information that can be used against you.