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Anyone point me to a post Retribution ship countering guide?
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Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-18 21:50:04 UTC
Just starting out in FW and got my first proper 1v1 win today.

It’s a good feeling aint it! I think I’ll try that again.

The biggest thing I’ve learned so far is that the fight is pretty much won or lost before the challenger arrives on grid if you know what to fight and what not to. And I can’t find a good post Retribution rebalance guide to which fits counter which fits.

A link would be much appreciated.

TIA

Incidentally, I’m working my way through 10 Slashers, so even if you don’t have a link, a top 3 fights to take and top 3 fights to avoid would be a great start…

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#2 - 2013-04-18 22:06:42 UTC
Your corp buddies are the pvp guides/teachers in eve.

Find a good corp and join it.
A few hours flying in a small gang with a good fc and you'll learn lots.


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Dan Carter Murray
#3 - 2013-04-18 22:10:56 UTC
avoid dual damp condor with every ship

avoid dual td condor with every ship unless you are missile ship

pretty much avoid any long range + ecm faggotry

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Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-04-18 22:11:20 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Your corp buddies are the pvp guides/teachers in eve.

Find a good corp and join it.
A few hours flying in a small gang with a good fc and you'll learn lots.

I plan on staying in the TLF for now actually, because I cant log in nearly enough to be consistent.
But I can use the forums anytime.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-04-19 00:10:41 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just starting out in FW and got my first proper 1v1 win today.

It’s a good feeling aint it! I think I’ll try that again.

The biggest thing I’ve learned so far is that the fight is pretty much won or lost before the challenger arrives on grid if you know what to fight and what not to. And I can’t find a good post Retribution rebalance guide to which fits counter which fits.

A link would be much appreciated.

TIA

Incidentally, I’m working my way through 10 Slashers, so even if you don’t have a link, a top 3 fights to take and top 3 fights to avoid would be a great start…



Doesn't really work that way mate.. I could make a 3 page list for you and it wouldn't really help.

What you can and cannot fight is something you need to test and explore yourself and get a feel for it.. Its just not something you can really learn from a guide.

(But don't despair.. It comes really quickly if you pvp a bit)

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#6 - 2013-04-19 06:05:01 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:



Doesn't really work that way mate.. I could make a 3 page list for you and it wouldn't really help.

What you can and cannot fight is something you need to test and explore yourself and get a feel for it.. Its just not something you can really learn from a guide.

(But don't despair.. It comes really quickly if you pvp a bit)


^^This,

Get out there and fight is a great way to learn.

Getting out there and fighting with a good corp who also likes that style of fighting is the quickest and best way to learn what can and can't be realistically engaged.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Flyinghotpocket
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#7 - 2013-04-22 18:57:28 UTC
ship countering guide. get a booster alt.

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-04-22 19:22:07 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Just starting out in FW and got my first proper 1v1 win today.

It’s a good feeling aint it! I think I’ll try that again.

The biggest thing I’ve learned so far is that the fight is pretty much won or lost before the challenger arrives on grid if you know what to fight and what not to. And I can’t find a good post Retribution rebalance guide to which fits counter which fits.

A link would be much appreciated.

TIA

Incidentally, I’m working my way through 10 Slashers, so even if you don’t have a link, a top 3 fights to take and top 3 fights to avoid would be a great start…


It isn't just about the ship, but how it is fit. A rail corm will beat a kitting damp maulus or a kitting range td light missile condor. However, a rocket tracking td condor will beat the rail corm. Eve is a giant game of rock paper scissors for subcap small gang fights. The real trick is figuring out which one the other guy has and to also disguise your own fitting (IE it's fun to fly a tracking speed rocket condor every once in a while)

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2013-04-22 19:41:34 UTC
Loki-boosted T1 attack frigs (in numbers) beats everything. The rest is just overly complicated analysis of how many ewar mods your loki-boosted Caldari ship can fit up to roflstomp other race's pilots who fly either solo or without loki boosts.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#10 - 2013-04-22 19:41:44 UTC
Fly a hookbill. That is all.

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Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2013-04-22 19:48:11 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Your corp buddies are the pvp guides/teachers in eve.

Find a good corp and join it.
A few hours flying in a small gang with a good fc and you'll learn lots.




Or if you fly solo, study kill boards and play with EFT for most ships to learn their strengths and weaknesses. You don't have to join a corp to learn stuff.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-04-22 21:05:01 UTC
Garresh wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Your corp buddies are the pvp guides/teachers in eve.

Find a good corp and join it.
A few hours flying in a small gang with a good fc and you'll learn lots.




Or if you fly solo, study kill boards and play with EFT for most ships to learn their strengths and weaknesses. You don't have to join a corp to learn stuff.


Eve is to complicated to figure out by looking at EFT for 99% of the population

The numbers you see are highly misleading if you don't know what they mean.. The best way to learn pvp is to join a good pvp corp, full stop.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#13 - 2013-04-22 22:02:52 UTC
Studying KB's and eft fits only give you about 25% of the picture.

Rarely does the killboard mention the 15 mins of bouncing around syst trying to seperate the prey from his blob. Or the fact that you killed a numerically DPS superior ship by staying out of his range or getting under his guns.

If you rely on EFT and KB you will die horribly and have no idea why 'cos you are flying the 'better' ship?!?!? WTF'

There are plenty of solo/small gang pvp corps out there. Having a corp is not just about being online all the time to fly with them it is about having like minded peopl to bounce ideas/tactics off so you can learn what works and what doesn't work so well.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-23 01:46:22 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Studying KB's and eft fits only give you about 25% of the picture.

Rarely does the killboard mention the 15 mins of bouncing around syst trying to seperate the prey from his blob. Or the fact that you killed a numerically DPS superior ship by staying out of his range or getting under his guns.

If you rely on EFT and KB you will die horribly and have no idea why 'cos you are flying the 'better' ship?!?!? WTF'

There are plenty of solo/small gang pvp corps out there. Having a corp is not just about being online all the time to fly with them it is about having like minded peopl to bounce ideas/tactics off so you can learn what works and what doesn't work so well.



^^I could not agree with this more^^
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-04-23 02:43:03 UTC
If you're looking for a decent guide to most of the ships in the game, it's pretty hard to beat The Altruist....

http://www.evealtruist.com/p/article-index.html

Az knows his ****. Tons of good insights in there.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-04-23 07:41:48 UTC
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
If you're looking for a decent guide to most of the ships in the game, it's pretty hard to beat The Altruist....

http://www.evealtruist.com/p/article-index.html

Az knows his ****. Tons of good insights in there.

I'd recommend this too, but keep an eye on what he has managed to update and what hasn't been updated yet.

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