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*** Scan Strength formula - Incarna version ***

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Space Wanderer
#21 - 2013-04-11 13:19:29 UTC
Gentle bump Blink
Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#22 - 2013-04-11 14:17:36 UTC
I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I'm going to. I've already picked up something useful with a quick scan over your post. Thank you.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#23 - 2013-04-12 22:07:28 UTC
Nice work. Pointed CCP Veritas at this thread to see if he will spill some beans... :)

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Sante Ixnay
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-04-12 22:19:41 UTC
Thanks Space Wanderer. IIRC, you also very generously shared your research on the previous scan system. (R.I.P.)
CCP Veritas
C C P
C C P Alliance
#25 - 2013-04-12 22:45:24 UTC
It gives me great joy that people are still trying to figure it out ;)

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Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2013-04-12 22:57:07 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
It gives me great joy that people are still trying to figure it out ;)


One of the few things you guys did really well.

When are we going to get another Apocrypha quality expansion?
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-04-13 05:09:46 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
It gives me great joy that people are still trying to figure it out ;)


We reverse engineered the exact formula in GARPA a few years ago. It boggles my mind that people are so uncreative in their guesses at the signal falloff formula given CCP's penchant for arbitrary constants elsewhere (see: evedev equations).

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Space Wanderer
#28 - 2013-04-14 11:26:41 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
It gives me great joy that people are still trying to figure it out ;)


Implying that there is still something to be found, I suppose? Big smile
Space Wanderer
#29 - 2013-04-18 12:50:50 UTC
Another slight bump. Blink
Traska Gannel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-04-18 14:27:25 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Ok, sure, good work figuring it out but what is this useful for?
All of this is extremely irrelevant to anything regarding probing ability/speed.

The info here can be summarized in 2 points:

1. More probes = better.
2. 3d layout = better than 2d layout for result strength.

Neither of which are really news.

Also, point 2 is arguable. I probe with a flat layout and I much faster than any 3d layout due to being significantly faster to setup and more importantly due to producing much simpler to read secondary results (ie: rings and spheres) than 3d layouts which will give you rings on all sorts of weird angles. A flat layout will give ring results that are very nearly as good as red dot results due to always being horizontal or vertical and always having a distinct end where the sig is located.
I probe a lot and over the years have tried several layouts but I have always returned to an 8 probe flat setup.


I find that with a 3D - 7 probe configuration I can skip scan ranges and never lose the signature. i.e.. go from 8AU -> 2AU -> 0.5AU ... while with the 2D - 5 probe configuration there is a ~10 to 20% (guesstimating) chance of losing the signature if it happens to be significantly above or below the center of the probe layout ... which then requires rescanning with a larger probe radius ... and takes more time than the thirty seconds or so required to deploy and configure 2 additional probes. Later positioning of 7 is identical to 5 when using the shift and alt keys efficiently.
Space Wanderer
#31 - 2013-04-22 15:47:25 UTC
A shameless bump. Big smile
Space Wanderer
#32 - 2013-04-30 17:32:38 UTC
Another firm bump. Blink
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#33 - 2013-04-30 19:54:12 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:

EDIT: Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisDb8c2aS4


I thought i've been scanning with the best formation... (1 center 6 in xyz directions) This. Is. Mindblowing. Thank you for this link!

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#34 - 2013-05-01 17:12:10 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

EDIT: Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisDb8c2aS4


I thought i've been scanning with the best formation... (1 center 6 in xyz directions) This. Is. Mindblowing. Thank you for this link!


I have been using a strange rectangle shaped 8 probe configuration for a while and ... well. TY!!!!! I can´t wait for Probe Setup formations saving as they promised for Odyssey, this formation is simply amazing. Still new to scanning, but this really looks logically much much better.

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Space Wanderer
#35 - 2013-06-11 22:17:21 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
I can´t wait for Probe Setup formations saving as they promised for Odyssey


Oh, the irony... Sad

Anyway, even with all the scanning changes the scanning formula is not changed, as well as jack milton's formation effectiveness, so I'll give this thread another bump.
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