Crime & Punishment

I think this is spot on, I would like this post but I have Java disabled...

Well, considering bounties are only paid out in pvp, a generous boost wouldn't hurt. Perhaps bump it to 35%, rather than 50%

Too much for what?!
You're stating that new players leave the game because of bounties tho you cannot have statistics to support that. Now at least give us a reason why anyone in their right mind should leave the game because they have a bounty on their head. I'd love to see where you terribly fail to understand the bounty system.

Woops, i was using CCP's bounty calculator. Stillyet, I am unsure of what or where this topic was supposed to be headed.

Hey Paladin Amarr thank you. You opened my eyes. Everything you say makes so much sense now.
If you would not post this crazy details with lackt of proof we would all be unaware of this bugs that all the cheaters in eve use.
I really hate it how CCP does not ban all these people that are cheating with the bounty system.
I myself got also a bounty and i am so super sad.

Now that you have won eve i recommend you to reactivate your permium account on this website: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

There you can play again with your bestestest friends and noone will ever use bounties against you.
Isn't that great? It is all fluffy and stuff.
And you know what is best? No cheaters there! I know right? AMAZING!

On the other hand the bounty system in eve always worked perfectly for me. I got the correct payouts for the estimated value of the ship. The split in fleets always worked 100%. Solo too.

How the bounty is calculated in the end only CCP knows. Just as only CCP knows how Anomalies spawn in Wormhole space and many other things that will never go public. Which is actually good. So noone gets an unfair advantage right? :)
But the 20% rule that they published is pretty accurate and should be enough information.

I really hope you will not give me an answer on this post and i hope that you will just reactivate your account at http://www.hellokittyonline.com/ because trust me... noone will miss you.

kthxbye o/

P.S. I know that you will still keep posting, which only shows how extremely ignorant you are. Just don't mkay?

Ohh i can read and here is proof that the bounty system is working as intended. Just as many people told you before.
Klick here: http://imgur.com/QD7iG3y

There you go the Bounty payment is exactly 20% of the estimated value of my ship.

You probably ask yourself why it is lower than the total worth.... well if you would have actually read the dev posts and you would stop arguing with your false assumptions, then you would see that the ships worth is calculated with the "money you get beack when you insure you ship adn then get blown up" .
On T2 hulls this amount is very low...i think on bombers its like 2 mill that you get and the hull costs 22 mill.

The item prices are probably calculated by market averages, but noone can tell that for sure as CCP has never and will never tell the exact formula how its calculated. Just as the dev answer you got in your first post states.

And if your bounty is lower than the theoretical maximum bounty payout its logical that you get less -_-

So please stop posting this ******** "theories" and stuff and for once read yourself a little. Maybe you will then understand the game mechanics and stop spamming the forums.

Tl:DR Don't fix what is not broken and "working as intended" (with proof)

http://www.allmystery.de/i/te1d0d4_double-facepalm_www.zaaap_.net_.jpg?nc

Wow you are really resistent to logic ha?
You did not read or did not understand what i was writing.

Then let me use the words you posted that you got as an answer from an DEV/GM whatever, maybe your understand your own words better: "The paid bounty is based on "Pend Insurance Estimate" on kill reports, which is valued by a confidential formula in the system and is usually less than the "ISK lost". As not meant to be public, we are not allowed to reveal more information regarding how the "ISK destroyed" is calculated. "

Do you understand this words? No? Well then let me analyse them for you.

confidential formula = "secret formula"
not meant to be public = not meant to be public = secret
secret = not to be know by everybody
not allowed to reveal more information = will never ever publish it

You might ask why, as your brain seems not to get the whole picture....
If anyone would know that formula he could use that information to his advantage.
That behaviour is called "exploiting" or as you say "cheating".
This is actually forbidden you must know and forbidden things lead to bans.

Now have fun searching for the holy grail, but remember that there are many informations that will never be revealed, also if you find out how it works and misuse it you will get banned. So good luck with that...cya

The bounty system can definitely use an increase in payout.

For instance, I recently lost a 200m slicer to some war targets. They only got something like 40m split up by the people on their fleet. I pity them. After all, my bounty is back above a billion isk now. But it is better now than it used to be, when I lost my 800m navy apoc last year and those guys got no bounty for the destruction of the ship- they had to go for my pod.

Outside of war, I have no problems undocking with my bounty. I made it to Dodixie from Jita without incident. And it's only this low because I let Retribution wipe out the old one, which was billions. But that was due to a matter of principle- never have and never will try to claim my own bounty.

My bounty is simply from people who leave some on bounty as a tip for a good doubling.

But perhaps we can run a test. Right now I have no issues flying around with a 1 billion bounty. Maybe some of you can throw some isk on it and see if I run into more problems at higher levels. I'll keep you informed.

How does a bounty on a new player make them quit?

I think 50% would be good for "dangerous targets" As I stated before, I would like to see the % value of the ship tied to the skill of the pilot. really good pilots, say players with good kill/death ratios, are considered more dangerous and give a higher payout. Really bad pilots or non PVPers will payout so small they are not even worth your time.

Say you come across an elite PVPer. He is flying a 4 billion isk T3. He not nonly has a 20 billion isk bounty on him,but he has a really good kill/death ratio so you will get 50% of his ship value. Even if it takes 4 pilots to take him down, you get 500 mil each. But with him being a good PVPer there is a high risk to you, even 4 vs 1. But the rewards are worth the risk.

In another senerio, you are in a 20 man gate camp, blocking a key access point into low sec. Most of the pilots jumping through and getting caught are new to PVP and in cheap frigates. Even if evey pilot had a significant bounty on them you are only getting say 25% of ship value, due to there lack of experience (low kill/death ratio) they are an easy kill. On top of that their cheap ship is only worth about 10M. So the bounty is only 2.5 mil split 20 ways. you only get 125,000 isk each. you would need to kill 4000 of these to earn the same as the pilots in the previous example. Even as a fleet you would have to kill 1600 of these cheap ships to match the bounty payout of the entire fleet in the previous example. But you risk nothing, and are just boringly farming cheap kills.

As far as " the way it is PVPs get almost nothing killing even high bounty enemies or high and hard ships." I call BULLSHlT!! I have seen player bounties payed out a 15-20 million. Show me an NPC besides some super rare officer that pays out that much? I don't care how much the over all bounty is on the player, a 10 mil payout is plenty. If you are complaining about that 10 mil being devided between the 30 pilots in your gatecamp then smack your self upside the head.

The problem is not the payout but the blob mentality null sec has been plagued with. You want higher bounties, fly in smaller fleets where your share of the bounty will be higher. And target more dangerous opponents that actually pose a risk to you. This is where the high bounty rewards should be, not the risk less blobbing and 20 man gate camps..

Did you ever stop and think that maybe this system was also designed to discourage blobbing. Sure if you jump a solo pilot with a 20 man roaming gang you will kill them fast, with little threat to your fleet. But as a penalty you will get almost nothing for the bounty. Say that players bounty paid 20 Mil. Your share will be only 1 mil, as it is divided between all 20 pilots on the kill mail. But kill that same player with only one other pilot helping you, then you both get 10 mil each. You want more bounty pay out, stop fighting 20 vs 1.