Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, I like this concept. It would be difficult to balance but PvE and PvP should be brought closer together. I would also like to see some actual PvP tutorials in the starter systems.

smaller missions, stronger enemies, easier isk farming. I know on some ships I run you could cut out 50% of the crap rats by doubling the abilites (and bounties as a logical result) if the stronger rats and many, including me, would be happy isk/hour wise
I miss my days of triple popes in delve. Skips the appetizers that are 500K BS'....just give me the 1.8 mils, as many of them as you want to.

npc e-war, say helloo boosted t2 e-war ships with pimp gear. TS web, ship bonus web boosted for range gets you some looong range web. Gurista....I am caldari BS 5 (scorp jamming) and recon 5 (because of falcon) with high electronics skills. I may say who needs tank and mod and rig to really boost the jams. I load my dice to avoid the snake eye rolls bascially. Just like the rats.

not running missions in pimp/uber ships gets this already. You could take your Gist A SB / CCCII rigged isk maker and lazy permatank a mission or strip out the bling for more common gear. Learn to burst tank. Pulse the prop mod etc.

For example taking a nice setup AF into a level 3 will test your flying skills. And it can run it to make isk. Not fast but it will work the lv 3 misisons. I have a dual purpose jag I run this for. I put the resists in high slots. My mids are tank of some kind (MSE or SSB - if nos fit) web prop and scram. too lazy to swap out scram, generally don't need resists in mids as I test the speed tank plus mild sig tank (the resists ofc make the jag a bit fatter sig wise). Basically its a pvp jag I pve in. Does fine in a level 3....if I don't fly like an idiot. Want to stress test cap, I scram em.

I like how missions are. A relaxing activity to make ISK.

Instead of a questionable improvement to solo-able missions, I would rather like to see new group activities for small gangs (2-4 ships).

they would be 10/10's, and high end ca's like haven/sanctum (not carrier spammed ofc). 0.0 gets this content as there is the risk of ship loss. People can and will die in uber ships used to run these.



they'd also be level 5's in low sec. deal with pirates there.


Empire's issue is the dual boxer isk farming problem. Give me 10/10's in empire and i have the main (on a 0.0 vacation) and the empire pve alt (makes money when main can't) who are quite good with a tengu among other ships. And empire much safer to run this setup. I don't have to sweat bubble camps to and from the plex system for example. Hell in the case of say a blood 10/10 I can assume almost 50% of the ninjya's and baiters out there won't even have the warp drive operations 5 to enter the plex hopefully. Hell, you can't get some 0.0 types to train this till they eye a go at carrier ffs lol. Limits the numbers of unwanted guests to sneak in.

Thanks for the support all. The original idea is not mine, but I wanted to put it in a prominent place as Odyssey hits and preparations are made for the expansion after. I'm hoping this thread can serve as a collection of detailed ideas and discussions of what needs to be done, gathered in one convenient spot.

I would like to address this though:


It's not my intention (or request, more like) to make missions action packed pain houses, or pvp trainers. I have only two goals:
1: Make ships that are fit for PVP viable in missions.
---The purpose of this is to pave the way for a revamp of lowsec and nullsec (aka, the nebulous "risk/reward" curve all the CSM candidates complain about being broken); if every ship is pvp capable, it'll make living and isking in these areas FAR more interesting for everyone involved.
2: Stop teaching new pilots how to be stupid.
---Pilots that start out and head to missions are hit with a set of needs; a repping tank, long-range DPS, cap stability (or enough to last through the mission, anyway), and efficiency before power. Basically the opposite of how a ship needs to be fit in pvp. It's not necessary to teach pvp, but it would be wonderful to stop teaching ANTI-pvp. This is a barrier to PVP, because a pilots entire body of knowledge must be re-learned and they are afraid to take the plunge.

That's pretty much it. Hopefully, the isk/hr and overall investment involved in mission running doesn't change too much, but the nature of PVE and how it works needs to be changed in order for any meaningful update to low/nullsec to occur.

The concern that always occurs to me when I see this discussion come up is that it will be difficult for PvE content to move toward PvP in style without causing a lot of collateral damage to both mechanics and lore.

I'm not saying that I like PvE the way it is exactly, and there are certainly some thins I would like to see changed, such as having NPC ships react a little more intelligently, instead of just throwing waves of their own men at us until we reach our preset kill limit. However, it makes sense in terms of the lore for capsuleer ships to be significantly more powerful than non-capsuleer ships, and CCP would need to be very careful in balancing mechanics, such as NPCs warping out of encounters, to avoid making missions exponentially harder than they currently are.

Another option is a different type of mission, though far more lucrative than the current. These would build onto the current system that so many love, and add the bridge in between.

This new system would be more modular, more randomized and far less predictable. It would be more difficult on the base level, but would take into account your fittings to scale the mission to you (i.e. T1 fits versus officer fits, the T1 missions would actually be less difficult). The bigger the ship, the more brought against you.

For lore, explain it as the washouts from the capsuleer training programs. The guys who weren't quite good enough for full augmentation.

The money from these would be mission completion. Sometimes that mission would be goal oriented. You might need to scram a fighter and tank his dps till the npc reinforcements arrive, all the while keeping an eye on HIS buddies. You might need to light a cyno, or EWAR a few bs's.

You might actually have to change your ship or ship fitting when the mission comes up. And buddies would be preferred, especially between 3-5.

All the more reason to lay out a plan and get popular support behind it. It took a year of very specific threadnaughting to get Tiericide rolling (and more years of general whining), I don't expect a mission overhaul to be quick.

Good post definitely needs attention! *bump*

If missions were actually a mini-adventure rather then a linear script they would instantly become more fun.

* L1-L4's skill tailored and gate locked by hull sizes.
* Randomized triggers/spawns.
* Effects active in the pocket. Once did a mission where "Agent Zero" was basically SmartBombing the whole grid for 1000 points every 10 seconds. Bad for Drones!
* Multiple gated areas. Hell, I'll take mazes ...
* Timed events if you trigger the wrong thing, or just to screw with you.
* Allied NPC ships so it feels like a fight, especially if a NPC FC calls targets for you.
etc etc.

Make mission failures a more common consequence and STOP penalizing players with massive negatives. They should learn to cut and run or bring friends when **** hits the fan, or move on to a new mission - just timeout the agent for 4 hours - while right now everyone knows EXACTLY what to bring. Missions are just cookie cutter time wasting for lousy isk.

I can only imagine the immense level of work this might need. Still, I can dream.