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#Scammed by, The First One is Always Free (TEST)
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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-04-20 19:07:47 UTC
Nah. I say get interested in everything and see what you can take. If it's only one ship then there's no sense turning up your nose at it.

Miner Melody has been at this quite a long time and is quite good. If there was more than a Hulk to take I'm sure he would have found it.

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Bethany Ring
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-20 21:11:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Bethany Ring
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Nah. I say get interested in everything and see what you can take. If it's only one ship then there's no sense turning up your nose at it.

Miner Melody has been at this quite a long time and is quite good. If there was more than a Hulk to take I'm sure he would have found it.

I am glad you made that post, the more you mention "Miner Meldody" with past activities will make it that much easier for anyone to do quick research. Do you happen to have any more stories to praise from past exploits of your mentor?

Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. [u]Albert Einstein[/u]
Rax Joris
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-21 12:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rax Joris
Bethany Ring wrote:
Do you happen to have any more stories to praise from past exploits of your mentor?


You seem to have a little spunk, if you hope to survive EVE best learn to use that to your advantage.
Demeter Ichinumi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-21 14:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Demeter Ichinumi
Any corporation with less than 100 members in one of the big alliances is likely to be an alt corp (PAC). There are a handful of legit small corporations but why take a risk when there are reputable corporations that recruit publicly?

Maybe you think "How many alt corps can there be? Surely corporations with more than 10 members are safe?!?" the test wiki has 50 corporations (out of 96 total corporations) flagged as alt corps. In reality it might be 5-10 more than that.

(TEST PACs are required to have a tax rate of 15% to prevent them from being used for tax evasion. So a tax rate of less than 15% is a strong indication that you are not dealing with an alt corp even for small corps)

The lack of killboard activity, the lack of a corp website, the total lack of recruitment adverts (almost all legit corporations have a recruitment thread somewhere - often on their own forums or in the OOG communities they come from but it usually exists) should have been red flags to you even without any knowledge of TEST.

The fact that you didn't sign up on the actual TEST website (pleaseignore.com - easily verifiable as the real TEST website and linked in the in-game alliance description!) but probably on test-alliance.com (which is not managed by the alliance leadership and not linked to in any official materials) should have been a massive red flag to you.

(If you had done thorough research on the alliance and its culture the corp ticker should have made you think twice, too, but if you had done any research you'd have run screaming the first time test-alliance.com was mentioned so that's a pretty moot point.)

edit: real corporations are used very rarely for recruitment scamming (most have rules against it) but it might happen. However, real corporations usually have a reputation, a history, a verifiable recruitment process and verifiable directors/diplomats.
Jean-Claude Baudelaire
#25 - 2013-04-22 03:02:00 UTC
well, it is a good thing that the collateral you set covered the cost of what you put in the contract, and that you had it delivered to a station in null that you have access to should it actually make it there.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-04-22 05:58:27 UTC
Jean-Claude Baudelaire wrote:
well, it is a good thing that the collateral you set covered the cost of what you put in the contract, and that you had it delivered to a station in null that you have access to should it actually make it there.

even legit courier services will rarely accept collateral (and as for a surcharge if they do).

uncollateralized courier contracts are the norm (and usually not a problem) unless you hire Black Frog or Push.

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Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#27 - 2013-04-22 20:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Solaire
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-23 04:49:50 UTC
dark heartt wrote:

If the person scammed them within recruitment channel (posted a position that was available then the OP messaged them), then they have grounds. If they simply invited them from the channel to a private conversation then the rules do not apply any longer. Otherwise all the goon/test scams wouldn't happen (most are pulled from the recruitment channel).


To the OP, it sucks that you were scammed. Keep in mind that organisations like TEST and Goonwaffe only recruit from Reddit and Something Awful respectively or from actual friends of current members.
Also if anyone asks for isk or assets during recruitment, 99% of the time they are scamming you (probably 100% but who knows with Eve). And I also see you googled the names (good call), but dismissed the alliance stuff. It would be rare for one corp in an alliance to not take part in the scams, as it is part of the culture.


Only Dreddit and Goonwaffe recruit from reddit and SA respectively. The other membercorps in TEST and GSF can set their own recruitment standards.

The OP failed to read the alliance description for TEST which warns that if you are being asked for isk deposits or assets you are being scammed.

You can create all the "scam blacklists" you like, the people who fall for these scams fail to read them.
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