Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In other words, "Because armor is broken and Amarr get better range and don't care as much about speed you should make Gallente ships shield tanked because I like it better"?

All I'm hearing is whining and a desire to completely alter a design to conform to flavor-of-the-month rather than fix the problems the ships actually have.

And 5 mid slots does not a shield tanked battleship make.

3 things I want from this patch or CCP Rise to change from the proposed rules

1) Hyperion- Please change the armor repair bonus. No one likes or wants it change it to something useful maybe a speed bonus or web range bonus.

2) Mega- Give it back its full drone bay. Since it lost its high this will help give it some versatility. (personally I prefer 5 mids and all 5 drones)

3) Domi, WTF huge nerf. Who is actually wanting a DRONE sniper ship that you can't move with. Terrible. Please also change the graphics for this ship maybe 1% like it and others refuse to fly it because its so silly looking.

That is all...........

shakes head..... i can read speed/mass stats in an OP ... i was referring to Hype being optimally fit i.e. armour reps/rep rigs as no speed penalty and mega then plated/trimarked.
As you're not going to plate a Hyperion as you wouldn't plate a mega if you could shield tank it properly with 5 or 6 mids.

Are you insane with this hyperion ? Mid + Low = 12 ... have you lost your mind completly ? I call it will be seriously overpowered. Mark my words. Especially that you nerfed Rokh and Abaddon at same time.

For drone boat its ok but for turret T_T.

so far i dont like what i see....

looks like im gona have to say bye bye to my Hyperion... i relly like that ship to...

This is shameful, inconsistant, and easily fixable, which further compounds my bewilderment in CCP'S choice of bonuses. Here's how to fix these lopsided gallente bonuses to make it as streamlined as the new Megathron (which is going to be astonishingly awesome)

1. Switch the Armor Repair bonus from the Hyperion to the Dominix. This will turn the Domi into a battleship-sized, potato-shaped Myrmidon, whose bonuses fit in perfectly with its 7 low slots. This also solves the problem with appropriating bonuses to its variants.

2. Meanwhile, the Hyperion will have the absent repair bonus replaced with a firing rate bonus. This balances the Hyperion's issue of choosing between maximizing its dps and tank. The concept of an "attack" battleship is flawed in the sense that battleships by themselves can never be mobile attack vessels in any sense. The solution to that, obviously is to increase damage projection and availability. This is evidenced in the Megathron's new heavy role. Why not make the Hyperion more of an "Attack" battleship than the Megathron and Dominix, since it tends to work well shield tanked anyway? The megathron will be usable for armor fleets in any situation, while the harder-hitting hyperion can be used either for sniping or heavy damage dealing while moderately shield or armor tanked.

3. Since tiercide will be adjusting the manufacturing costs of each of these ships accordingly, true "balancing" will come about when ALL the ships are useful in their particular niches they fill well. With their current bonuses and manufacturing being adjusted as they stand now, the hyperion will drop BELOW the dominix in price because of demand, and the Megathron will rise above where the hyperion is, if the bar is set around or between the current hyperion and megathron manufacturing costs.

4. Consistency: This thread does not have it. The amarrian ship line is now a shining example of consistency for training lines. The ship line for the gallente should be as follows:
Vexor>Myrmidon>Dominix = tanky, multipurpose drone boats usable for PVE or PVP
Thorax>Brutix>Megathron = high dps, pvp-centric blasterboats with limited fitting flexibility but massive combat potential
Thorax>Talos>Hyperion = Priemier damage dealers; strictly offensively-oriented vessels with unparalleled damage, good fitting flexibility, excellent pvp flexibility.

The end result would look like this:

Hyperion:


Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% Large Hybrid Turret damage
+5% Large Hybrid Turret Firing Rate

(keeps 8/5/6 slot loadout, slightly more HP adjusted to shields)



Dominix:


Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+7.5% Armor Repair amount

(Potato Myrm will be immensely effective. Power creep does not apply as severely to this as others because it will be on-par tank wise with the abby and maelstrom. Caldari hybrid boats can be fixed by increasing rail range, which will smooth out difficulties with hybrid crossover. I will be talking about that in the Caldari ships thread, because what has NOT been done to the poor, poor rokh is awful. No damage still.)

Anyway, just an idea. Critiques welcome, because I honestly want to find another idea that's better than this AND whatever CCP wants for the domi and hyperion.

I think I have some thoughts on the matter, but the idea probably won't fly...

I wonder if new Domi bonus can be used to make a fit with omnidirectional tracking links that would allow it to consistently hit frigs with medium drones?

If the answer is "yes" at least theoretically, then it's probably worth considering to add speed bonus for drones, which should be more significant for larger drones. At very least it can make traditional light drones to be useful against some specific fits. The reason I'm thinking about such things is because new Domi is so drone-centric, that it shouldn't be exclusively about sentries.

That said, mobile drones still could use better AI/controls so that they could shoot from non-standard ranges (when they have their range inreased), slow down to prevent out-tracking themselves etc.

On a side note, this thread represents greatly all the issues that tend to arise when attempts to fix applications before basics are made.

Translation: We are gonna punch you in the face, real hard; and we find this exciting. We hope you will too.

PS: You will probably pass out and may not get up or walk again for about a year or so, six months if you're lucky. But rest assured, eventually you will be up and running again. Well maybe. <3

I would welcome the new Battleship overlord! *bows down*


NO seriously, that would be even more broken than the current concept :D

yes