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Does Anyone Else See Cerebral Accelerators As Pay To Win?
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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#21 - 2011-11-01 17:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
ACY GTMI wrote:
Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.

I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.

Is that not true?


Its true.. But its all about player retention as Tippia said.

And since they don't work on characters that have been registered for more than 35 days, I really don't see it as that big of a deal.

Twisted Alice wrote:
Rate of fire bonus only works on missiles, damage bonus only with turrets.


TY

Back when I created this character, there was no training acceleration for new toons. But I know that it started afterwards...

I think new toons trained at like 200% or something for the first 1mil sp or something like that?

Anyhow didn't they take that away? If so the accelerator going to all new accounts (as somebody suggested above) could just be a way to replace that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2011-11-01 17:17:24 UTC
I can't check at the moment... somebody remind me, can these be sold on the open market?

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luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#23 - 2011-11-01 17:17:49 UTC
"Does Anyone Else See Cerebral Accelerators As Pay To Win?"

No.

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#24 - 2011-11-01 17:17:53 UTC
Nope and this thing has been around for awhile, over a year. Came with the Eve Online: Commissioned Officer Edition, replaced the EVE Online: Special Edition GTC/Shuttle bonus item. A rip if you ask me.


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Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#25 - 2011-11-01 17:18:09 UTC
NO.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2011-11-01 17:19:55 UTC
Wow, multiple simultaneous posts. Big smile

Seriously, can someone check and see if these can be sold on the market like other implants?

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#27 - 2011-11-01 17:23:45 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Wow, multiple simultaneous posts. Big smile

Seriously, can someone check and see if these can be sold on the market like other implants?


I've seen one in contract, awhile back. Doubt open market item. At work and can't login, only posting so you know we are not ignoring you. Come give dady a hug.

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Demon View
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-11-01 17:25:15 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I can't check at the moment... somebody remind me, can these be sold on the open market?


Nope. Contracts. And they go by character age, not account age. So the old plan was: create a new character, queue up cyber IV, fly to Jita, plug in accelerator and then +4s after training. For completely new players who aren't told what to do, realistically the +3s fill the exact same purpose as the damage bonus: to be there right until you have the skill/wherewithal to have those bonuses without the accelerator anymore. So they're intended to smooth out the start, although they give others a running start.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2011-11-01 17:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Big smile

Thanks.

The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.

If they are available via contract, that voids any accusation of pay to win immediately. Anyone could get them for ISK in game if they wished (and could actually derive any benefit from it).

Silly argument to begin with.

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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#30 - 2011-11-01 17:33:26 UTC
Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-11-01 17:34:36 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.

I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.

Is that not true?



By your logic paying for an extra account is paying to win.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#32 - 2011-11-01 17:38:36 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.



There were a few threads like this one back when they first announced they would be in the Officer Edition of the boxed game.

It might technically be pay to win, but the effect is so minor that I really don't mind, nor do I think it makes much of a difference. Yes, for a characters first 35 days it may give them an advantage, but IMHO the player retention aspect of it all overcomes the argument.

Just my own opinion though.
Twisted Alice
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-11-01 17:38:46 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.



They're not paying for them they are just a promotional item.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#34 - 2011-11-01 17:39:40 UTC
Pay to win can be found here. Message in game if interested. I have several in the cooker.




disclaimer: All deal are done in ISK through the proper methods. No $ deals are accepted!

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#35 - 2011-11-01 17:40:14 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.


I know what you are saying, but your definition of Pay to Win is slightly off.

Quote:
The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.


Anyone can get these off contracts with ISK, that is not pay to win.

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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#36 - 2011-11-01 17:47:06 UTC
Hauling Hal wrote:
ACY GTMI wrote:
Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.

I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.

Is that not true?



By your logic paying for an extra account is paying to win.


Realistically, how many ships can you fly in combat at one time? I have 4 accounts because I am a miner, and, IRL, I don't have much charisma. After having to fire about 10? 12? applicants before they finished probation, I quit trying to expand my mining capabilities that way, and created my own mining fleet.

Does it give me an advantage over solo miners? Oh yes. But none of my characters have had any advantage over other players other than being able to work together relatively peacefully.
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#37 - 2011-11-01 17:54:37 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


I know what you are saying, but your definition of Pay to Win is slightly off.

Quote:
The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.


Anyone can get these off contracts with ISK, that is not pay to win.


A character who is less than 35 days old can buy one if they are familiar with contracts. Sounds to me like it would be something someone would do for an alt.

BTW, a quick search of available contracts doesn't show any Cerebral Accelerators available . . . anywhere.
Twisted Alice
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-11-01 17:57:08 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I know what you are saying, but your definition of Pay to Win is slightly off.

Quote:
The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.


Anyone can get these off contracts with ISK, that is not pay to win.


A character who is less than 35 days old can buy one if they are familiar with contracts. Sounds to me like it would be something someone would do for an alt.

BTW, a quick search of available contracts doesn't show any Cerebral Accelerators available . . . anywhere.



I thought they were tied to the account.

If they can be contracted then that's news to me.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#39 - 2011-11-01 17:59:31 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I know what you are saying, but your definition of Pay to Win is slightly off.

Quote:
The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.


Anyone can get these off contracts with ISK, that is not pay to win.


A character who is less than 35 days old can buy one if they are familiar with contracts. Sounds to me like it would be something someone would do for an alt.

BTW, a quick search of available contracts doesn't show any Cerebral Accelerators available . . . anywhere.


Th number of 35-day alts flying faction-fit BS' is causing a backup on the game servers.

This is a serious problem.

Wait it isn't.

All it is, is a quick pick-me up for younger players/alts so they can get fighting sooner, and it helps retention rates of new players.

The pie is a tautology
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-11-01 18:00:09 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If they are available via contract, that voids any accusation of pay to win immediately. Anyone could get them for ISK in game if they wished (and could actually derive any benefit from it).

Silly argument to begin with.

By that logic anything sold through the NEX could not be P2W either.
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