These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Wormholes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Armor T3 vs Shield T3

Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-18 20:09:30 UTC
ok, last time i was in a WH corp it seems most corps were shield T3 only.

Just browsing the Recruitment forums i noticed that now it seems quite a few WH corps are Armor T3 only.

Why would you choose armor over shield ? (Tengu specificly) Isnt your range severly gimped in armor t3's and have to move all over the place?
Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-18 20:43:59 UTC
Basically you don't move around much. The majority of fights happen either on top of a wormhole or at a structure where brawling power is more important than projecting your DPS over a long range. There are occasions where fights are long range, however these are few and far between.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-18 21:23:14 UTC
you usually fight on wormholes, so the range dont matter too much

also, armor has a lot more high EHP high dps ships then shield, guardians have a better tank that the shield logi, and armor ships can use midslots for utility more easily
illy velo
Emergency and I
#4 - 2013-04-18 21:36:29 UTC
Almost all high class WH dwellers are armor for the reasons stated. For a C3 or C4 the Tengu is the ship of choice for PVE so that is probably while you saw that before. C3 and below, I still prefer the PVE drake because they are cheaper to lose in the inevitable gank, for PVP I am always armor.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-18 22:04:49 UTC
you cant shield tank a webbing loki or a proteus, which are the 2 best WH PVP T3s.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Magnus Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-18 22:40:58 UTC
Ah got it, so they requiring the armor T3's is mainly due to PvP, not due to farming the WH
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-19 00:03:19 UTC
Only T3 that's relevant to PVE in high end WHs is a loki and it armour tanks.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-04-19 05:59:24 UTC
Magnus Saken wrote:
Ah got it, so they requiring the armor T3's is mainly due to PvP, not due to farming the WH


If a corporation is really smart they'll PVE in PVP fit ships with logistics -and actually hope that someone is stupid enough to pounce on them...

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#9 - 2013-04-19 07:02:50 UTC
Dorn Val wrote:
Magnus Saken wrote:
Ah got it, so they requiring the armor T3's is mainly due to PvP, not due to farming the WH


If a corporation is really smart they'll PVE in PVP fit ships with logistics -and actually hope that someone is stupid enough to pounce on them...


Five words zealots in c5s

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2013-04-19 07:44:16 UTC
Magnus Saken wrote:
Ah got it, so they requiring the armor T3's is mainly due to PvP, not due to farming the WH

Yep, in the capital end the same applies trough Archon being the best carrier and web lokis being at their best when armour tanking, so the PvE tank of choice in C5 and C6 is armour as well.

In C1 to C4, its just tengus everywhere.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-19 09:45:11 UTC
it's the same old beaten argument with shield vs armour.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-04-20 15:20:33 UTC
Simply put, both the Legion and Proteus can stack plates, resist and Slaves to the absurd point that they have nearly 300k EHP with only minor pimp. The Tengu cannot.

And also Armor is sexier.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#13 - 2013-04-21 06:27:57 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
Magnus Saken wrote:
Ah got it, so they requiring the armor T3's is mainly due to PvP, not due to farming the WH


If a corporation is really smart they'll PVE in PVP fit ships with logistics -and actually hope that someone is stupid enough to pounce on them...


Five words zealots in c5s



Retributions tank the quads better though.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-21 06:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Simply put, both the Legion and Proteus can stack plates, resist and Slaves to the absurd point that they have nearly 300k EHP with only minor pimp. The Tengu cannot.

And also Armor is sexier.


no, but it can get 210k ehp with no pimp. solid.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#15 - 2013-04-23 13:19:44 UTC
For PvP:

Armor: More DPS, more tank ( especially with slaves), more utility. You get the neut legion, ham legion, lazor legion, heavy tackle DPS proteus, cloaky proteus, jamgu, and the armor webbing loki. More utility as well.

Shield: Less DPS, less tank, more range? with the tengu, but a shield brick HAM tengu really isn't that fast, and the HAM Legion does the same thing. The shield loki has somewhat ok DPS, but your tank is abysmal. Almost no utility.

For PVE:

The Tengu is boss. It can solo c1-c3 sites with ease, it can RR and do C4-C5 sites, great for clearing a variety of professional sites.

The Legion is decent for soloing c1-c3s as well.

The Proteus can't really PVE, unless you use the drone proteus. Only application I've seen for this is to rr drone prots and run c3s or c4s, however, the rattle can do the same thing for less and with a better tank.

The Loki is really only useful for C5 and C6 cap escalation - armor only. The shield variant I suppose could do lower class stuff, however, I've never heard of anyone using it for that.

tl;dr train the proteus for PvP, train a tengu for PvE.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-23 22:34:04 UTC
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Armor: More DPS
Shield: Less DPS

this is actually the other way around when looking at the same ship.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#17 - 2013-04-23 22:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Main issue with shield really (atleast in high end WHs) is the combination of the fact that most of the better shield ships for PVP have massive sigs at the best of times and tend to be battleship hulls that aren't ideal for mass considerations.

I've seen HAM drakes with basi support and buffer sleips with scimis used successfully in lower class WHs even against armor t3/guard fleets (tho obviously the armor t3 fleets tend to be superior).
Omen Nihilo
Omen Holdings
#18 - 2013-04-24 03:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Omen Nihilo
It's really not that complicated...

Armor for brawling. Shield for kiting.

In w-space most fights are brawling so armor is more popular.
In k-space kiting is the only way to fight the blob so shield is the way to go.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-24 22:17:24 UTC
Took me about a week to decide that my shield loki wasnt worthwhile in a c3 and i was better off flying an armor legion for pve.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2013-04-25 01:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Garresh
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Took me about a week to decide that my shield loki wasnt worthwhile in a c3 and i was better off flying an armor legion for pve.


Wat? Shield Loki is an awesome PvE ship. It can perform as well as most pimped out T3s for a fraction of the cost.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm referring specifically to C3 sites.

This Space Intentionally Left Blank
12Next page