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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-28 05:06:37 UTC
I'm not sure if this post belongs in this subforum (how the LPs are earned is relevant to this sub forum)

Is there some site that can show me which item is offered at which LP stores, and what those offers cost?

I heard the FW LP stores offer greatly reduced prices on a number of items.

Also... there are concord LPs.... can I sign up for FW, use my concord LPs in the store, and the leave the militia?

If I can, what would be cost less LPs, using Fed Navy LPs to get a navy issue mega at the Fed Navy LP store, or using concord LPs (0.8 conversion rate) at the Fed Defense Union LP store (50% ??? discount relative to the Fed navy store)?
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-10-28 05:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
google is your friend.

try entering loyalty point store and whatever else takes your fancy, and exploring some of the results.

CONCORD LPs? Yes, but from incursions ... and I think you can trade them for LPs in other corps that are useful to you.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2011-10-28 05:28:08 UTC
This is what you're looking for.
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-28 11:09:35 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I'm not sure if this post belongs in this subforum (how the LPs are earned is relevant to this sub forum)

Is there some site that can show me which item is offered at which LP stores, and what those offers cost?

I heard the FW LP stores offer greatly reduced prices on a number of items.

Also... there are concord LPs.... can I sign up for FW, use my concord LPs in the store, and the leave the militia?

If I can, what would be cost less LPs, using Fed Navy LPs to get a navy issue mega at the Fed Navy LP store, or using concord LPs (0.8 conversion rate) at the Fed Defense Union LP store (50% ??? discount relative to the Fed navy store)?

Megathron Navy Issues are worth a measly 500 isk/LP, last I calculated. Don't get them.
Spineker
#5 - 2011-10-28 16:15:05 UTC
Yea the CNR is worth even less.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-28 16:51:42 UTC
In general, what is the best use of fed navy LPs?

I notice I can't even get a good price on faction ammo, as Fed navy ammo sells for much less than caldari navy hybrid ammo, despite having the exact same stats.

On a different point, can I join a FW militia, convert concord LPs, and then leave the militia?
It seems I'd save a lot of concord LPs if I could use them at the FW store instead of the other stores.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-28 19:07:44 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
In general, what is the best use of fed navy LPs?

I notice I can't even get a good price on faction ammo, as Fed navy ammo sells for much less than caldari navy hybrid ammo, despite having the exact same stats.

On a different point, can I join a FW militia, convert concord LPs, and then leave the militia?
It seems I'd save a lot of concord LPs if I could use them at the FW store instead of the other stores.


One of the restrictions on concord LP is they can't be used at any FW militia store, or any pirate faction LP store. There is simply no option to convert them, whether you are part of FW or not. And yes, this was a deleberate decision on the part of CCP (no, I don't have the link, cause I was first researching it about 9 months ago... but a little bit of time with google or looking through old dev blogs and you'll probably find it). However, you can use them at any other empire LP store, though the conversion ratios can change (ex. you can convert for fed intel office at .8, but for sisters of eve at .4). Your personal standing with these corps doesn't matter. I have like -4 standing with caldari, and I can convert for them just as easily as I can for gallente, which I have a standing of 9.0 with.

As for what to buy using Fed Navy LP... do a bit of reasearch... but I've always found that the fastest way to dump them is implants, though the conversion ratio isn't that good (still better then navy mega's though, because FW peeps get them for like half the required LP amount). Also... fed navy is one of the groups that has lvl 5 agents, meaning there are lots of people looking to dump LOTS of LP all the time, as well as it being one of the most popular corps to run for (because of dodi). If you want good LP returns, you would be better off looking elsewhere and stop gaining more LP with fed navy.

-Arazel
Christopher Crusman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-29 01:55:43 UTC
Alternate question, related enough to the OP's I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread:

Are the LP store offers anywhere in the bulk data dump CCP provides, or are they strictly server-side? If strictly server-side, is there any reasonable way to get a dump of the data from the ellatha DB?

I ask because I'm working on a tool to figure out the best profits from LP stores, and while I have a version already working for a limited subset of the stores, it'd be nice to be able to integrate it with some other database lookups I have, and to not have to re-do my existing hand-coded ones again - if I have to manually enter the offers for each LP store that's fine, I just want to know before I waste more time looking :P
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
#9 - 2011-10-30 09:27:50 UTC
Christopher Crusman wrote:
Alternate question, related enough to the OP's I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread:

Are the LP store offers anywhere in the bulk data dump CCP provides, or are they strictly server-side? If strictly server-side, is there any reasonable way to get a dump of the data from the ellatha DB?

I ask because I'm working on a tool to figure out the best profits from LP stores, and while I have a version already working for a limited subset of the stores, it'd be nice to be able to integrate it with some other database lookups I have, and to not have to re-do my existing hand-coded ones again - if I have to manually enter the offers for each LP store that's fine, I just want to know before I waste more time looking :P


Dont know, but try contacting: DaOpa

Are you going to publish the tool for everyone's use?

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2011-10-31 02:40:46 UTC
Christopher Crusman wrote:
Alternate question, related enough to the OP's I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread:

Are the LP store offers anywhere in the bulk data dump CCP provides, or are they strictly server-side? If strictly server-side, is there any reasonable way to get a dump of the data from the ellatha DB?

I ask because I'm working on a tool to figure out the best profits from LP stores, and while I have a version already working for a limited subset of the stores, it'd be nice to be able to integrate it with some other database lookups I have, and to not have to re-do my existing hand-coded ones again - if I have to manually enter the offers for each LP store that's fine, I just want to know before I waste more time looking :P


I find this ironic because I was JUST thinking about trying to code something like this myself, lol. I actually was just looking around for a way to get current contracts to see how much stuff is worth when I found this thread.

What are you writing your program in and are you planning on making it open source (or atleast open use)? (If you're already making a program, I'll give yours a try before I write my own P)
Christopher Crusman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-01 17:09:50 UTC
My current version is in Google Docs (Spreadsheet), requires manual input for every price, and is generally terrible :P That's one of the reasons I'm upgrading from it to something a bit more usable.

I'm writing my program in Python; I haven't decided whether or not I'll make it open-source/publicly available. At least as I'm planning to implement it currently, it requires a bit more effort to use than a lot of "package" deals - it'd require, as a bare minimum, Python (and a rudimentary ability to use it), the bulkdata dump published by CCP (with some modifications to store current prices), pyodbc to interface with the SQL database, and possibly a couple other things. Not exactly a plug-and-play thing.

I wouldst note that I haven't found any decent way to scan contracts for prices; contract items will have to have their prices manually updated. Everything on the market can be done through browser API calls, EVE Mentat-style (requiring a personal website set up with the items you want to check, at present, though I might be able to set up a local URL).

If there's interest, I could look into making it a little more end-user-friendly and try to publish it as a more complete package, but that'd be a *long* way off - I'm idly working on it in my spare time when I get bored, so progress is very much made in fits and starts, and it isn't in anything like a completed state. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to let anyone else see the code in the state it is now; hacky workarounds and kludges ahoy :P

I'll try to get in touch with DaOpa and see what I can see about the LP store offers database, thanks for the advice!
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2011-11-01 18:44:41 UTC
+1 for Python, it's an awesome language. If you want some help, I might be able to give you a hand, I'm fairly good at coding in Python (and I completely understand hacky code, that's what most of mine is, lol).

Also, you might want to consider using json instead of SQL. I find it much easier to interface with than Python and the libraries are built into Python itself, so there are no external dependencies. I've found it quite useful for some of the Eve-related code I've written in Python.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#13 - 2011-11-01 20:09:41 UTC
mxzf wrote:
This is what you're looking for.

Yup that's the best one.

If you look into it, you'll see that every empire faction actually only has 3 different LP stores. To make a profit it's also recommended to get LP from the Industrial corporations, as they sell 5 x blueprints for the price of 3 modules. Since the production costs are close to nothing, you basically get 2 free.

For instance Carthum (Amarr), Hyasyoda (Caldari), Core Complexion (Minmatar) and Duvolle Labs (Gallente), to name a few.
The challenge is to find one of those corporations with good L4 combat agents.
Christopher Crusman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-02 02:19:40 UTC
Been using SQL just because that's what the CCP dump is natively set up as, and find it easier to work within that :P