EVE General Discussion

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To be clear, though this is a fine idea it is not exactly what I was suggesting. It is also unlikely to happen.

Take the universal case of what I was suggesting, which is also unlikely to happen. If everyone, or even the majority of people, were always war decced in high sec want effect would that have?

I was suggesting starting a war deccing business where you did not actually ever fire a shot, but simply made more and more people available targets to one another in high sec based on market interest. Probably to make the business run you would need two or two competing war dec aggregators? Likely the most profitable model would be a single owner of both aggregators at some level.

The business model would have to be worked out to determine whether or not it would be financially profitable. It is potentially the case for it might be ideologically profitable for someone therefore does not need to be financially profitable, but only distribute the costs of the war dec. The aggregator (Miner Whine or whatever) would need to be able to report at any time things like trends in available targets in high sec so investors would understand what they are getting, etc.

The high sec data from Poetic Stanziel could easily be used to create predictive investment models based on corporate/alliance activity. Also parsing by CONCORD kills would do.

The New Order does not sell protection. Neither do we promise that the purchase of a mining permit fulfills the obligations of the miner required by the New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Following The Code makes the miner a better player (and a better person too). By tanking their ship, staying alert at the keyboard, keeping in mind that ganks are part of the fun of EvE and generally participating in emergent gameplay, the miner moves off the path of bot aspirancy and literally, changes the road they are on. A player who follows The Code soon finds that mining, especially afk mining, is not either a fun or profitable way to spend their gaming time. Dozens of New Order Agents and Knights are reformed miners who now reject their former world view and have moved from being a form of in-game livestock to being the predator and warriors they aspired to be the day they downloaded the client. Without The Code they were sucked into the perverse world of highsec mining. The New Order, through the generosity and the down right pity of James 315, freed them.

Those who have not yet been healed of their malformation seem to think the permit is the core of the New Order. This is untrue. James 315 himself clearly explains that the permit fee was a requirement put on the New Order by CCP itself who required that our actions generate an expectation of profit. Now, the New Order has been wildly profitable but not from the selling of permits. Selling the permits pushes aside any possibility of our ganking and bumping as being harrassment and turns it into legitimate, emergent, goodoldfashionedEve, hijinks. It serves a small purpose of acting as a wakeup call to the ISK fixated miner. It serves to show him that watching his ISK total tick up up up isn't winning Eve or, considering how slowly mining makes ISK, even desirable.

Now, the idea at the core of the OP has been suggested many times during the last several months. No one has made a serious attempt to initiate it. This is probably due to a combination of inertia and risk adverse nature of the opponents of the New Order. In other words, a combination of self interest and cowardice has prevented anyone from actually making a sacrifice of their time and ISK for the perceived greater good of the mining community. The New Order, not only attuned to self sacrifice but organized around a core of service to all of Eve, is unburdened by these constraints.

But lets say someone does attempt it. They would find that New Order permit holders, those who DO follow The Code, would be extremely difficult to gank. A good tank combined with good situational awareness would create a hard target. Since the Knights of the New Order go after poorly tanked, AFKing bot aspirants the success rate is much higher. In such a competition the occasional victory of the anti-New Order forces would pale vs the continued efforts of the NO to cull the mining herd of the weak and sick (ie, the bot aspirants). Lacking the conviction and organization of the New Order AND besides that being on the side of bot aspirancy and all other things bad and double bad, the countereffort would soon fade back to the background noise it came from.

Those who truly understand the New Halaima Code of Conduct know that fighting it fulfills it. This is not to say the the miner cannot "win". He just has to understand that the way to win is to follow The Code.

Be a winner, not a whiner. Follow The Code.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

This was exactly what I meant.



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After all, it's pretty much well known that the Bumptards are funded by non-neg mains anyway (probably AFK miner toons). What's to stop the counter-movement from doing the same thing themselves?

I'm not a ganker, which shows a fundamental lack of reading comprehension on your part. And I just have to ask -- don't you ever get tired of talking like you're part of some religious movement, or have the lines of reality blurred so much for you that you have essentially been brainwashed into your imaginary cult?

Edit: Also, I think the better solution is to simply set up a corp and wardec all those permit-holding lemmings of yours and kill them without CONCORD intervention.

I don't recall a carebear convincing people to grief a guy so hard he almost killed himself.



I absolutely love being me in Eve. It's why I play this game.

I am more than happy to concede that anyone who wishes harm on someone in real life is going too far, regardless of how they are labeled in this game. But it's not really a flaw in my statement; I was pointing out it is not limited to any single group of people. It's not even something that should be labeled under a group. Those are individuals who for any number of reasons have anger or mental issues and so forth.

I adore it when the 'bears bring up one guy's drunken misbehavior as some sort of.. representative of the EVE ganker community. Never you mind he paid for his action above and beyond the sanction CCP laid down.

As for your quoted comment, I'm going to quote a message one of our agents received, after blowing up a spaceship in the PVP oriented video game EVE Online. It will be censored as to adhere to forum rules.





That, from a peace loving carebear. If you try to play it off as "LOL it's obvs they wasn't serious"...well, remember Mittens. He wasn't serious either.

This is a beautiful post.

The unilateral assertion of an ideology does not constitute any truth value of the ideology itself.

I am fully aligned with conclusion of you post that "high sec is worth fighting for" and feel that my suggested strategy, malformed as it may be, is consistent with that in every way.

I like your writing style. It's refreshing.