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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-04-20 03:30:35 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Isn't the appropriate response to Burn Jita to set up courier contracts with high collateral into the system?


Yes, but it has to be enough beyon the capacity of an orca. I've been hanging in Jita and all the targets have been freighters. Orcas seem to be mostly unmolested for the most part.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#82 - 2013-04-20 04:05:24 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Except it doesn't take ISK out of the game at all, quite the opposite. For every ganked ship, the insurance money is created out of thin air and injected in the economy.


I thought that insurance was denied on CONCORD kills?

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Lady Krome
Lost in Station
Brothers of Tangra
#83 - 2013-04-20 05:28:56 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I logged into Jita for about 30 minutes.

I was not impressed by Burn Jita.

I was expecting that goons would be firing on everything that moves.

I saw an Orca sit outside 4-4 for at least 15 minutes and plenty of freighters get away.

The only kills were freighters on auto pilot and that happens every day anyways.

I think ice mining is more entertaining.


Over 150 BILLION isk destroyed in less than 24 hours. So ya... not impresed
Darkstarr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-04-20 05:39:50 UTC
saltrock0000 wrote:



But then it wouldn't be burn jita 2.0 it would be "burn near jita"



I don't think you get it.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-04-20 05:51:30 UTC
Lady Krome wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I logged into Jita for about 30 minutes.

I was not impressed by Burn Jita.

I was expecting that goons would be firing on everything that moves.

I saw an Orca sit outside 4-4 for at least 15 minutes and plenty of freighters get away.

The only kills were freighters on auto pilot and that happens every day anyways.

I think ice mining is more entertaining.


Over 150 BILLION isk destroyed in less than 24 hours. So ya... not impresed


They way they made Burn Jita sound was like they were going to attack anything that moves that wasn't part of their alliance.

In effect burning Jita. Say with smart bombs and indescriminate ganking.

What they really meant was "We are only going to gank frieghters who are worth ganking."

I've been watching intel channels and they did let a freighter go who had only a few million worth of minerals on board.

Sure its still billions of isk, but color me not impressed.

It's just like any other night of people ganking auto-piloting freighters on the Jita pipe.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-04-20 06:13:51 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Except it doesn't take ISK out of the game at all, quite the opposite. For every ganked ship, the insurance money is created out of thin air and injected in the economy.


I thought that insurance was denied on CONCORD kills?


THe freighter getting popped does generate an insurance payoiut tho. The only isk getting destroyed are the market taxes paid to replace all the ships. Rest is just money moving from one wallet to another.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-04-20 06:15:14 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Isn't the appropriate response to Burn Jita to set up courier contracts with high collateral into the system?


Yes, but it has to be enough beyon the capacity of an orca. I've been hanging in Jita and all the targets have been freighters. Orcas seem to be mostly unmolested for the most part.


And to be sure it will get done ASAP, you probably need to also at least put a decent payout so people are rushed to do it now instead of whenever they feel like space trucking.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-04-20 06:20:17 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Lady Krome wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I logged into Jita for about 30 minutes.

I was not impressed by Burn Jita.

I was expecting that goons would be firing on everything that moves.

I saw an Orca sit outside 4-4 for at least 15 minutes and plenty of freighters get away.

The only kills were freighters on auto pilot and that happens every day anyways.

I think ice mining is more entertaining.


Over 150 BILLION isk destroyed in less than 24 hours. So ya... not impresed


They way they made Burn Jita sound was like they were going to attack anything that moves that wasn't part of their alliance.

In effect burning Jita. Say with smart bombs and indescriminate ganking.

What they really meant was "We are only going to gank frieghters who are worth ganking."

I've been watching intel channels and they did let a freighter go who had only a few million worth of minerals on board.

Sure its still billions of isk, but color me not impressed.

It's just like any other night of people ganking auto-piloting freighters on the Jita pipe.


Your reading comprehension is your own fault. Nobody else it to blame for that.

Also, if CCP would get around to removing CONCORD we'll get right on that whole "shoot everything not blue" thing. As it is, there's a series of timers one must manage in order to murder as much as we are as fast as we are and as often as those timers allow something is dying. Tell me more about your expectations though.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-04-20 06:36:16 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Tell me more about your expectations though.


What I am saying is I'd be more impressed if you took the time to attack everything in Jita regardless of how much income you could extract from it.

This also includes attacking Test friends and other neutrals in the system.

Otherwise burn Jita is just a selective burn of targets deemed worth ganking.

I'm just finding it hard to do anything other than "yawn" at your current situation.

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rswfire
#90 - 2013-04-20 07:03:37 UTC
If Goons and Test are such elite PvP'ers, then why is it that they do so horribly against small gang PvP corps in highsec? They are repeatedly shown to be incompetent by people like Whores in Space, Marmite, and many others. I look at the war reports and it's always extremely lopsided in favor of the highsec PvP'ers. (Note this does not apply to all nullsec alliances; some are more competent then others.) They talk like they are the best at what they do, but the data does not back that up. Obviously, warfare in highsec is different than it is in nullsec, but if you're going to act like highsec is full of carebears who can't fight and that you're supremely better than them, then you need to prevent all the losses you take from those in highsec who actually can PvP and constantly give it to you in the rear end. That is all.

(For those who want to attack my KB, feel free. Never claimed to be an elite PvP'er.)

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#91 - 2013-04-20 07:16:17 UTC
Who said we were elite pvp'ers?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#92 - 2013-04-20 07:17:00 UTC
I mean DBRB can be defeated by an all you can eat buffet, and we put him in charge of our fleets.
Dave Stark
#93 - 2013-04-20 07:18:18 UTC
rswfire wrote:
(For those who want to attack my KB, feel free. Never claimed to be an elite PvP'er.)


is this irony?
rswfire
#94 - 2013-04-20 07:26:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
is this irony?


Not at all. Just a fully straightforward statement. When a person doesn't have a good argument, they generally like to make comments like this one. Absent that, I suppose you just deflect by saying things like, "Whoever said we were."

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Dave Stark
#95 - 2013-04-20 07:32:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
rswfire wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
is this irony?


Not at all. Just a fully straightforward statement. When a person doesn't have a good argument, they generally like to make comments like this one. Absent that, I suppose you just deflect by saying things like, "Whoever said we were."


i think it is, based on the fact that you did just attack their KB (edit: or war history, same thing) while they never claimed to be elite pvp...

*shrug*
rswfire
#96 - 2013-04-20 07:36:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i think it is, based on the fact that you did just attack their KB (edit: or war history, same thing) while they never claimed to be elite pvp...

*shrug*


I see. So you're hung up over a word. Feel free to replace it with any synonym that you feel would be applicable. There are plenty to choose from.

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Dave Stark
#97 - 2013-04-20 07:37:35 UTC
rswfire wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i think it is, based on the fact that you did just attack their KB (edit: or war history, same thing) while they never claimed to be elite pvp...

*shrug*


I see. So you're hung up over a word. Feel free to replace it with any synonym that you feel would be applicable. There are plenty to choose from.


i'm not hung up on anything, i just asked if it was irony.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-04-20 08:00:50 UTC
rswfire wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i think it is, based on the fact that you did just attack their KB (edit: or war history, same thing) while they never claimed to be elite pvp...

*shrug*


I see. So you're hung up over a word. Feel free to replace it with any synonym that you feel would be applicable. There are plenty to choose from.


Your an idiot, think a little more about what you have said.
rswfire
#99 - 2013-04-20 08:19:57 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
rswfire wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i think it is, based on the fact that you did just attack their KB (edit: or war history, same thing) while they never claimed to be elite pvp...

*shrug*


I see. So you're hung up over a word. Feel free to replace it with any synonym that you feel would be applicable. There are plenty to choose from.


Your an idiot, think a little more about what you have said.


You'll have to elaborate, since I'm apparently too much of an idiot to know what it is you feel I said wrong. Also, I'd expect this sort of response from someone blue to Goons. And, look at that signature of yours. Clearly, I've hit a nerve with you. I did happen to mention that some corps are better than others, did I not? At any rate, I was simply stating a fact.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-04-20 08:29:20 UTC
we are highly concerned about our killboard stats guys

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