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Boston's Illegal Search & Seizure Violations

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2013-04-19 23:02:48 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

News flash, internet links are not actually sources. When you go home, get out of your cubicle and turn on the TV, you too will experience the wonder of the modern, corporate run media experience. It is literally on every channel.


Internet sites and news channels both share the same sources. TV is beginning to be yesterdays news medium. The news you read via the internet is actually the same news you get on your TV, only at times you are getting it sooner. This news may be on every channel, but it is also on every news site, and top trending on most social media networks.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Alara IonStorm
#22 - 2013-04-19 23:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Angelique Duchemin wrote:

Freedom and Liberty are mutually exclusive. You have to find a balance between the two because going too far to either side costs you both.

Liberty is the ability to have control over your own life an actions, better known as freedom. They are the exact same thing and not at all mutually exclusive.

Crimes not taken in the name of law are an oppression of liberty by individuals within a state against others. The reasons freedoms are infringed upon in a so called free state IE by prison, searches, warrants and arrests is because liberty is also threatened by individuals and organizations not considered states. Ideally this is designed to hinder and oppress criminals who are oppressing other peoples rights, un-ideally the state also oppresses people by passing laws against people they don't like for what they do or say.

There needs right now to be a balance as you say because we are not perfect and don't respect each others freedom but freedom and liberty are not mutually exclusive. What is considered property however delves deeper in liberty, for instance can you live alone on a mountain or island and claim it yours denying others its bounty. Possession makes freedom sticky.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#23 - 2013-04-19 23:24:18 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
I'm one of the people who was helping. There were no "illegal search and seizures" going on. Hell, I know of one cop who openly told someone with heroine in plain sight, "Yeah, next time hide that ****."

Houses are being searched. If you're not okay with that, fine. But this bastard has murdered four people, and with more explosives on him, he could murder more. Shut the **** up.



**** you. You seem to have no grasp of what illegal search and seizure means, nor a firm grasp of constitutional guarantees.




BTW.... you and your "people" are achieving nothing while raiding peoples homes. The badguys sent up a flare by robbing a convince store, getting caught on camera and then carjacked someone, told them who they were and then let him go to tell police about it. They practically sent up fireworks advertising their whereabouts to your people. You got one, and then let the other escape in a vehicle for some reason.


How exactly? Hmmmm.... not sure. Incompetence?



So what has your gross illegal search of everyone's premise earned you so far? Ya know, besides crapping on our constitutional rights? To date... precisely jack. The badguys have done all of the hard work in terms of tracking them down for you so far. Have a nice day Anya Lol




P.S.

I see your in an NPC corp again. I guess you still can't find a corp that will tolerate you? <3 Kiss.


You're barking up the wrong tree.. *******. You're the type of person that shouldn't be aloud to smoke pot and surf the web at the same time.. yeah, I went there. Going to do something about it?

I'm one, of I'd wager many more than You.. whom would gladly let them do what they are doing under this scenario. Considering this suspect attempted to kill HUNDREDS.. and it's a miracle only 4 deaths to date. Whom still has explosives/guns to some extent and stayed in town.. perhaps to do even more harm? Very plausible. And you'd stand in the front of your door and block police from trying to find him like some southern redneck wannabe protecting your 'gosh darn wivil wights' from the ebil, nasty global empire? Wow, if that's the case. What are you hiding yourself?

I know if they came into my home under these conditions, and I had a quarter lb of dope out and they arrested me for it.. it ain't going to hold up in court. I also know they aren't going to give a **** about any of that right now. Stop over-thinking this.. it'll save you from a lot of pointless stress that You are bringing upon yourself, no one else. Blame yourself and don't be imbred.

And stop pretending to be some bad ass on the internet, makes you a nobuddy-wannabe-pretender in my book.. especially towards someone that was an actual 'badass' in Real Life.. and whom helped save people's lives Monday.
Dessau
The Scope
#24 - 2013-04-19 23:31:54 UTC
Full disclosure: not a constitutional lawyer.

Exigent circumstances.

Cornell's online law library has a number of SCOTUS cases detailing arguments for warrantless entry. In this case, they are not entering a suspect's abode but rather a potential break/enter crime scene, and are not case-building. They are attempting to apprehend a multiple-murder suspect who is likely armed with firearms and explosives, thus attempting to prevent imminent harm to the public.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-04-19 23:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Umega wrote:
Another Anya alt.


Ya! This game again.



I am glade I made you happy on this fine day. You have certainly made mine. Next time, when a teenager speeds away from 30 something heavily armed cops, maybe bring a helicopter or something to see where he goes.



Pro advise.... free of charge. Bro. You're the one barking up the wrong tree Big smile

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#26 - 2013-04-19 23:43:06 UTC
I still don't see any sources yet.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-04-19 23:45:33 UTC
Dessau wrote:
Full disclosure: not a constitutional lawyer.

Exigent circumstances.

Cornell's online law library has a number of SCOTUS cases detailing arguments for warrantless entry. In this case, they are not entering a suspect's abode but rather a potential break/enter crime scene, and are not case-building. They are attempting to apprehend a multiple-murder suspect who is likely armed with firearms and explosives, thus attempting to prevent imminent harm to the public.



Laws like this are so broad they have no clear definition. An army of cops can apparently enter every house in the county systematically, if they say that they think a potential break/enter crimes seen was possible there.

That, bear minimum, is a very slippery slop indeed.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-04-19 23:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Alara IonStorm wrote:
15 civilians shot in the head by Boston PD, sources on the TV.

Edit: I might be watching an episode of 24.


Great show, they lost my interest on the last season though. Totally dropped the ball on that one

Micheal Dietrich wrote:
I still don't see any sources yet.


What, no tv in your cubicle?

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Dessau
The Scope
#29 - 2013-04-19 23:53:08 UTC
Slope that's been slippery since before my lifetime. In some cases, both circuit and supreme court agreed that the circumstances pertaining to the case did not excuse a Fourth Amendment breach.

But there are cases where it is excused, as I believe it would be with the many law enforcement agencies involved in the events of the last 24 hours. Those same agencies must ensure appropriate application of the law by only performing these sorts of acts under specific and extreme conditions. This seems to me to be the case so far.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-04-20 00:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Dessau wrote:
Slope that's been slippery since before my lifetime. In some cases, both circuit and supreme court agreed that the circumstances pertaining to the case did not excuse a Fourth Amendment breach.

But there are cases where it is excused, as I believe it would be with the many law enforcement agencies involved in the events of the last 24 hours. Those same agencies must ensure appropriate application of the law by only performing these sorts of acts under specific and extreme conditions. This seems to me to be the case so far.




A sound argument except here is the thing... their actions in no way shape or form yielded anything of substance thus far. Their finding of the suspects and their first encounter with them, resulting in ones death, had nothing to do with violating people's personal space. So what they are doing is proving to be ultimately useless for the time being. Every break so far required no civil rights violation.



All of this would be over by know if that same army of cops did their job, and prevented what is basically a teenage kid from evading them all and disappearing into thin air. Helicopter pursuit anyone? No? Well ok... let's just raid the city instead.

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#31 - 2013-04-20 00:14:24 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Umega wrote:
Another Anya alt.


Ya! This game again.



I am glade I made you happy on this fine day. You have certainly made mine. Next time, when a teenager speeds away from 30 something heavily armed cops, maybe bring a helicopter or something to see where he goes.



Pro advise.... free of charge. Bro. You're the one barking up the wrong tree Big smile


Incorrect.. as I believe you would be of a great many things. Assumptions seem to be the blanket you wish to wrap yourself up in. Does your paranoia keep you warm at night?

You, sir.. are extremely creative.. or very senile and delusional. What is it like to believe in magical helicopters that instantly appear on a whim? Right.. and damn those officers that didn't charge the guy that has gun, threw explosives at them, killed one and wounded another officer, and could very well be wearing an explosive vest of some sorts. That's what shoulda happened, bro? They should have thrown themselves on a potential human grenade/suicidal bomber so you don't have to worry about your civil rights being in jeopardy? Make it clear what you believe should happen. I'm quite curious your view.. you sound like you pretend to be an expert in these matters.. so your insight would be most beneficial to these forums, indeed. Bro.

DUDE! Share more of your indepth knowledge on this matter, please? I need more info on how a helicopter can get pilots, pre-flight checks, started, taken off, cleared by air space, given safe flight path coordinates at night in large city, and hover on moving target within 5 minutes. This is important stuff you're holding back that a lot of people would like to learn how to do, Bro.

Bro.. I need more 'pro advice'.. how does someone with your mental clarity, knows what a tree is and how to bark at it?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-04-20 00:18:43 UTC
The laws were a lot more open and intrusive even in the 1950s. Look at what McCarthy and cronies got away with.

And we still are not a dictatorship.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-04-20 00:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Umega wrote:
What is it like to believe in magical helicopters that instantly appear on a whim?


Ah yes Anya... magical helicopters. How absurd of me to wish for eyes in the sky during one of the largest manhunts in recorded history.



It disturbs me greatly to think that you might actually be one of those guys out there raiding homes, after my experiences with your eloquent personality in game. Here is another pro tip, your argue-with-various-alts gimmick only works if you don't do it all of the time. After a short time people catch on.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-04-20 00:20:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The laws were a lot more open and intrusive even in the 1950s. Look at what McCarthy and cronies got away with.

And we still are not a dictatorship.



Yes, and that was not a good thing either. Shall we stop trying?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2013-04-20 00:24:20 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


All of this would be over by know if that same army of cops did their job, and prevented what is basically a teenage kid from evading them all and disappearing into thin air. Helicopter pursuit anyone? No? Well ok... let's just raid the city instead.




I brought this same point up in another thread today.

That is the incident that I do have a problem with. How the heck was pursuit of the guy they essentially had pinned down evaded ? There weren't enough eyes on the scene ? I mean really, it's hard to believe he got away so easily.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-04-20 00:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


All of this would be over by know if that same army of cops did their job, and prevented what is basically a teenage kid from evading them all and disappearing into thin air. Helicopter pursuit anyone? No? Well ok... let's just raid the city instead.




I brought this same point up in another thread today.

That is the incident that I do have a problem with. How the heck was pursuit of the guy they essentially had pinned down evaded ? There weren't enough eyes on the scene ? I mean really, it's hard to believe he got away so easily.



Maybe Anya or his alts can explain Blink



I would sure like to here an explanation (gets popcorn)

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#37 - 2013-04-20 00:34:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Umega wrote:
What is it like to believe in magical helicopters that instantly appear on a whim?


Ah yes Anya... magical helicopters. How absurd of me to wish for eyes in the sky during one of the largest manhunts in recorded history.



It disturbs me greatly to think that you might actually be one of those guys out there raiding homes, after my experiences with your eloquent personality in game. Here is another pro tip, your argue-with-various-alts gimmick only works if you don't do it all of the time. After a short time people catch on.


Bro.. why you dodging my questions? Please enlighten the forums with your self-precieved sheer brilliance on how this all should have went down. You are acting like you got all the answers.. but not really providing anything, other than 'should have done everything possible concerning matters I'm not trained in or clued in on, so I don't have to *****-fit about my civil rights that aren't directly in jeopardy'.

We need explanations on how to get a helicopter airborne and in position during a sudden and short car chase involving explosives. You are acting like you got it figured out.. quite stalling and trolling the forums, and provide your divine clarity for us all to bathe in.

I'm not 'Anya'.. nor would I ever claim to be someone that saved someone's life. Nor would I be inclined to **** all over someone's real life because of how Anya musta touched you 'wrongly' in a video game. What did he do to you to cause your obvious outrage? You're obviously very disturbed about many things.. that aren't even true. Seek help. Seriously. Maybe You're the problem, and not your surroundings. Tough pill, that one to swallow will be. Bro.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-04-20 00:35:31 UTC
Update:

They think they have him hiding in a boat near where he originally lived. My source is the news I am watching atm.

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#39 - 2013-04-20 00:41:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


All of this would be over by know if that same army of cops did their job, and prevented what is basically a teenage kid from evading them all and disappearing into thin air. Helicopter pursuit anyone? No? Well ok... let's just raid the city instead.




I brought this same point up in another thread today.

That is the incident that I do have a problem with. How the heck was pursuit of the guy they essentially had pinned down evaded ? There weren't enough eyes on the scene ? I mean really, it's hard to believe he got away so easily.


Why should some of us pretend we know the answers? Shockingly enough.. some people on the forums aren't going to pretend they know all. I don't know how he got away.. I wasn't there.

Things to consider, allegedly. They had explosives in the form of homemade grenades and another pressure cooker. Suspect 1 apparently had a suicidal vest of sorts.. so might the other. They had firearms. This all happened out of the blue. They had a hostage. They killed one officer and wounded another. These are important matters to consider.

Also.. your typical grunt may not know everything that his/her superiors know. All they are told is to go at it with extreme caution. I know I would extremely careful if I had explosives thrown at me and gunfire, and one officer was already gunned down. This kid is a 19 yr old athlete.. that may or may not have had training by someone on avoidence tactics.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-04-20 00:42:25 UTC
Umega wrote:
Pretends not to be Anya.



Bro... helicopters in the air tailing law enforcement are hardly next generation technology and tactics. When you pretend to be so dumb, try using something that is less commonly available.



As For My "Genius"
If I was in charge of such an operation, I might think about a neat little trick that the black water mercenary group pioneered. It involved men with sniper rifles set up on small and fast helicopters. That would have taken care of the bad men with pressure cookers in short order. And before you say that you cannot make a shot off a helicopter do your homework, because they did and it was an impressive improvised tactic. To bad they were hung out to dry for political reasons.




But putting my amazing genius and tactical mastery to bed for a moment. A ******* helicopter in the sky is not some magic stroke of genius you tool. I'm sure the city of Boston had at least two on hand, one to stay aloft and a second to do so when the first refueled. They didn't because they are incompetent, unimaginative and ultimately stupid. There... I said it. Felt pretty good too Big smile

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