Crime & Punishment

Why?

What's so wrong with proprietary algorithms?

They're...rather common in business.

Also, 20% of 100B is 20B and not 10B as you said, so please YOUR NUMBERS ARE WRONG.

A friend and I took turns blowing up ships with no mods in them and were surprised to see that the bounty amounts weren't always the same for the same ships, on the same day, in the same system. It was a bit strange, I must admit.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to do something. That was my basic point right there.

Is it a dystopia? Well, the definition of that word is, "An imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant or bad, typically a totalitarian or environmentally degraded one."

I think the keyword in that sentence is "everything." Sure, we have wardecs and griefers and scammers and on and on, but there are a lot of other things we have also...like friendships and acts of kindness and even altruism and on and on.

At any rate, I fully acknowledge your right (and anyone else's right) to disagree with me. :)

P.S. Awesome classes. ^.^

I agree with what you just said.

I've run tests on this and the data is conflicting. Some ships pay out more than others, even when those ships are worth far less. The same ships, killed by the same pilot, don't always pay the same amount. It does not pay 20% by any stretch, as is most commonly believed. It's really not that difficult to prove those specific points.

I think as it is right now, most pilots don't use bounties as incentive to attack someone. They use other criteria and view bounty payouts as an added bonus. If your main point is that bounty hunting isn't a viable career in Eve with the way the bounty system works right now, despite it being advertised as a glorious new path in Retribution, then I'd probably agree with that too.

That is where our opinions diverge quite dramatically. I don't feel any of the suggestions you made are practical and in many cases they would do far more harm than good. A lot of it comes down to game mechanics that perhaps you're just not fully versed in. Also, this is not really a new topic. There has been a lot of "crying" about the new bounty system. And, true to CCP, they held a poll on the subject and ultimately didn't do anything. I suppose they're too busy focusing on "the next big thing" to worry about the things they've already released; it's probably on a very long to-do list, to be revisited in another ten years. :)

So you are suggesting that if I put a bounty on someone with a positive sec status they should lose some sec status too? That would be hilarious

Oh hey this thread is still going...

OP, let me tell you how the bounty system is working perfectly. Suppose I have a 100 million ISK bounty on my head, and I am flying a Cruiser worth 40 million. Now suppose I engage Shafluffers in a glorious combat and he destroyse my vessel with his superior ship for the job. The total loss of my ship was 40 million, and my bounty was 100 million, so Mr. Fluffers recieves 8 million ISK, or 20% of my ship loss. Now if he were in a fleet with one other player, then they would each receive 4 million. 8 million ISK has been drained from my bounty, good fights were had, and the winner leaves with a nice extra bit of cash.

20% of ship loss = bounty payout. If you are in a fleet then it is evenly distributed amongst the members.

Now, if the 20% of the ship loss is greater than the bounty on a player's head, then the whole bounty pool will be payed out. Say I am flying a 300 million ISK Battleship, but my bounty is 15 million ISK. 20% of 300 is 60, but since I only have 15 million in my bounty pool, that is all that is payed out, and I no longer have a bounty.

What you seem to be advocating is that by placing bounties on high security status scammers, their security status is lowered. While you have noble intentions, there is no way that system would not be abused. Even if you have a bounty limit to high security status players, you could simply add it in increments. EVE has no way of sorting out the highsec scammers from your so called "honourable players that have done nothing wrong." EVE is heralded for being a cold, harsh, and unforgiving game where anything goes, and scamming, stealing, and murdering is encouraged.

Another thing you stated earlier is that cheaters (botters, in your mind) use the bounty system to "shut up the cheater hunters." In what way does that happen? Do the "cheater hunters" suddenly cower in fear of their sudden bounty and never speak do the so called "cheater," for fear of repercussions? No, they continue about their daily EVE lives and broadcast their findings of "cheaters" because the bounty has not affected them in any way, except smearing a red WANTED sign across their portrait.

EVE is harsh, and if you think a bounty is enough to make you leave the game then perhaps EVE isn't the game for you. Thank you for trying it out and maybe spreading it to other people who may enjoy it.

Just some words I thought I'd drop before the lock falls.

WRONG

Well, that's what I said. So I will not only be able to put a bounty on you but at the same time also reduce your sec status. How would that solve anything?

The bounty system does exactly what it is supposed to do: It gives an incentive to kill someone. I hope we are on the same page here.
So, first you complain that new players get bounties and quit the game (Why would they do that??). Then you suggest that players with positive sec status not only should be bountied, but also lose their sec status.
You, sir, hardly make any sense.