Ships & Modules

only its pretty foolish to nerf one thing just prior to buffing everything else

Back in my day, we had to fight cruisers in noobships, and battleships with nothing except a Rifter and a single autocannon! Those were the days....

You're really pressing this troll for a character not even 2 years old, talking about "Eve on hard mode" and such.

yeah, about that 2 years.... its somewhat longer you n00b

*that's 2 years older than you*

Oh for gods sake.

A long time ago, Minmatar were a bloody shocking race to fly. The issue was, their weapon system was totally and utterly crap.

During this period of EVE's history it was Gallente that was top dog.

Amarr, somewhat unjustifiably was also thought of as a poor race to fly.

Caldari, with their crappy missile systems, were also a joke.

Over time Amarr ships and lasers were improved - the laser now being the best weapon system in the game as it stands, mounted on often perfect platforms - yes it is even better than projectiles.

Caldari had a missile balancing patch, which brought almost every weapon system into line bar Rockets and Cruise Missiles. Rockets have since been fixed, cruise missiles still have some issues.

Minmatar too, have benefited from a buff to their weapon system. This buff, has IMO, balanced them against lasers and results basically in a mostly equal weapon system. Both lasers and projectiles share similar engagement range - but one favours higher dps, quality of hit and instant ammo switching. The other favours less dps due to falloff...but same range overall, switch-able damage types and immunity to neuts. They are the two sides of the same coin in terms of balance to each other.

Hybrids and Gallente ships in general got shafted and are unbalanced because drones are crap, blasters are crap, rails are crap and active tanking is crap.

I don't really understand all this call for projectile nerf, since they are totally balanced with lasers.

My post doesn't go into my detail about exactly the changes and problems but that is kinda it in a nutshell... and IMO all this shouting about nerfing Minmatar isn't really justified. And before you ask whilst I fly all races, equally the only issues really atm with this game for PVP and indeed PVE are Gallente(and Caldari hybrid platforms). They are downright bullshit compared to the other races, with any luck this upcoming patch will boost them. Amarr, with their laser boats are still just as if not more competitive than their Minmatar counterparts.

If you nerf Minmatar, then you basically make Amarr THE race to fly, with few exceptions, in almost every ship category in the game.

Amarr is not that good. Scorch is good. They make Pulse Lasers the long range weapon. Make Beams the Long Range Weapons again and Pulses Short Range and that will bring backLR Weapon Balance.

Put Artillery in line with Rails and Beams and you will have balance w/o any race being OP.

I disagree with the first statement, I say they should go a head and just balance the whole damn game before they get lost in establishments and fluff again.

But yeah DPS is such a small part of the equation.

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wow....


Either this is pure trolling or youre quite ******** when it comes to eve mechanics or history indeed.

The only time amarr was top dog was before the stacking nerf two lifetimes ago. back then the 8 heat sink geddon was the FOTM. Ever since that point amarr has been tagging along...

Scorch, is basically the one and only reason that amarr ships are on par with the other races. ( And yes its imba, but amarr doesnt really have anything else...)


Anyway, rails always sucked. It was supposed tob e an ultra long range weapon in a game that does not allow fights over 30km to realistically happen.


Blasters used to be decent, but the webber nerf, along with the mwd changes made blaster boats very impractical.


However, the AC buff was actually what messed up the balance.

ACs have:
- very decent range for 95% of combat situations
- Best Tracking
- best ammo variety
- no cap use
- very decent dps (and that is even before you apply the dmg type freedom)

- and they have almost non existent fitting requirements!


As such, Autocannons, not projectiles per se, are imba as hell. Because they simply have no downsides.

Now of course some minmatar ships are the FOTM (.. for five years ina row now..), but a lot of that is due to the fact that they can field a full rack of top tier ACs, along with a tank AND speed.


Ergo:

Nerf ACs by reducing on paper dps and by increasing their fitting requirements significantly

Trolls

These forums are starting to resemble the WoW forums with cry threads about nerfing things. Wow, just wow.