Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No logistics drones are relegated to EFT warrior's like what you appear to be, high sec scrubs and POS repair no self respecting logistic pilot wants to loose repair power when drones go pop as they often do flight time also makes them inpractical. Drone bay's are used for the likes of E-war drones or combat drones regardless of bonus or lack thereof.

So true

intresting but also true just confirmed this on sisi the less cycle time will come in useful for my alts logistics pilot.

logistic drones as I just said ( but your personal vendetta against the other guy may have blinded you to real universe application ) are relegated to EFT warriors, high sec scrubs and POS repair simply because no logistics group wants to wait for drone flight time before any additional repair bonus apply. go get some experience....

Now can the pair of you shut up I'm trying to follow other posts for inspiration.

On a more thread focused line of thought give me an 8 turret mega ( best suggestion I've seen so far and keeps in line with the mega hull progression to the vindicator).

I'm going to agree with this as it appears to be a solid option for the mega although I think this was some others idea ( I started reading backwards to find out what the children was arguing about ) and found this on page 90 but I can't go bashing you for retaining something from this near 100 page thread.
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While I'm not to sure about the E-war bonus a little more fall off would be welcome in my book.
But then again it does add to an interesting concept having a point range bonus on one of the most iconic ships next to the Nyx for the Gallente.

Something tells me this guy just loves to fly his Megathron and not just EFT arguments.

Edit: Maybe something like this for the Megathron:
+7.5% Large Hybrid Turret tracking speed and Large Hybrid Turret fall off per Level
+5% Large Hybrid Turret rate of fire per Level (replaces large hybrid turret damage)

But that could make it OP I leave it for discussion and consideration if CCP make it this far down the thread

Additionally, the Oneiros of course gets the cap usage reduction of its RR modules so that it can actually be cap stable, while the Domi would need to run dual cap boosters just to not cap out instantly.

You really don't like the Gallente BS do you? These are major nerfs for the Domi and I can pray to God that they don't change the Navy version with this nerf also.

CCP Rise will be touching on the Navy boats soon. I think most of his work has been good so far but I'm still face-palming over the Domi.

Sadly, I'm sure the metrics that CCP is using shows that people are running sentry Domis a lot. This probably due to a low-SP fit to get into L4's quickly that has spread around. /tinfoil hat

I'm sure CCP thinks they are giving us what we want but adding more AFK to the ratter-Domi setup is not going to get anyone more into this game. Most of the credible people here have also discounted the fleet option unless CCP has something up their sleeve with how sentries function that they haven't shared yet. But of course, dropping this change on us before such a changes are done is bad.

Probably one of the reasons this is getting so much debate is that T1 BS are people's "home" ship for a large amount of career time in Eve and few BS are having their roles restricted or changed as much as the Dominix.

Since the bonuses are now making the Domi a pure out and out drone boat would really like it to have the option of using heavy drones instead of sentries. Im not sure if the drone optimal range is really required as there are several ways in thhe game to manipulate that already and it could get to a point where people will only use Garde II's for sentry boats as they will be able to get them sniping out well over 100km. Instead i would love to see the bonus as: 10% drone tracking and 10-15% heavy drone speed per lvl. This way drone boats might have the option of trying out heavies instead of being forced to use sentries cause heavies are just so slow at this time that they are waste of time to use alot of the time. Also with the current style of play the domi seems to be being forced into with these changes i.e. sentry boat it seems non sensical to me to increase its sig size since it is a sitting duck already.

Another idea would be give the domi bonuses some drone control range, so that it can make up for losing its + turret bonus by being able to drop drone links for extra turrets.

Actually I would like to take a minute to address drones and the new Dominix.

As it seems right now we're getting the new bonus of:
+10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed (replaces large hybrid turret damage)

This MOSTLY affects Sentry drones. You can pretend it doesn't affect the other drones, but it does. It lets Mediums hit frigates better and Heavies hit cruisers harder (and more consistently in both cases). Grab a friend with a frigate and cruiser on SiSi and test the drone's performance with a Dominix equipped with dual OTLs and without. The difference isn't mind boggling but it's there, and it allows the Dominix more consistently applied DPS.

But anyway, it MOSTLY affects Sentry drones, like everyone in this thread already knows. So what's the problem with that? Well, to a certain extent, none. Sentry drones are awesome and giving them a range/tracking bonus really WOULD help set the Dominix apart from the Armageddon. I say would because BY ITSELF it isn't enough. So something needs to change.

One of the biggest problems is Drone Control Range. From a gameplay and lore perspective drone control range makes sense. But for SENTRY drones it doesn't. The idea behind Drone Control Range is that you have a limited space within which to stream information and commands to your drones. So, I ask, WHY does this apply to Sentry Drones? They're (normally) sitting right next to you the whole time. If I can lock a target 120+km out (with SeBos that will be equipped instead of OTLs with this rebalance) my beautifully optimally buffed Bouncer IIs SHOULD be able to start sniping it. And I shouldn't have to have my high slots filled with heavy CPU stealing Drone Link Augmentor IIs. There is no sense to the Drone Control Range hindering sentries in that sense. Instead, the Drone Control Range should come into effect for your distance from the drones, not (necessarily) the target. I say necessarily because in the case of Attack/Scout drones, where they will have to move TO said target, target distance stops being a non-issue and the drones shouldn't be able to comply.

I personally see no reason why, if I'm 59km from my Warden IIs, and my target is another 100km away from me, why I can't stream that targeting information to the Sentry drones and have them engage my target. I DO see why I shouldn't be able to sick a flight of 10km/s (DNC boosted) Warrior IIs on them. If there is a serious gameplay balance issue with this, please enlighten me because I personally don't see it.



So yeah, I think that change alone could really help the Dominix stand out from the Armageddon, at least as a drone sniper. This problem does nothing to solve that sentries can't move/etc. and that still needs to be addressed. In fact it all needs to be addressed in my opinion. I think that such a simple change would actually be more beneficial than a drone control range ship bonus as it leaves the Dominix's attack drones regulated to the 60km maximum, but the sentry drones become far more viable in comparison, but all drones for the ship are still getting a nice little buff.

I'm worried this will go overlooked by CCP in the vast depths of this thread, but I don't see any immediate problems with such a proposal. And yeah, CCP, drones still need an overhaul!

-12% EFT DPS in the max damage full rack of neutrons that is compensated by vastly better damage application with drones, much more tank, more powergrid to fit more modules, more powerful guns...

Not sure how this is a major nerf. This makes the Domi much more flexible, and in most cases more powerful.

I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.

You're forgetting the other BS that are also getting bumped in the tiericide to the middle ground while having their layouts and ship bonus match their role as turret/brawl/tanky ships.

This means there is more competition and more choices for these roles than ever over the Domi, which in the mean time is having it's layout and bonus tied to the sentry mechanics which many pilots wouldn't to be caught dead with in PvP (sorry pun).

Sure, tracking will help larger drones hit smaller ships too... but a strength of the current live Domi was in it's ability to swap to smaller drones anyways.