Crime & Punishment

ok let me get this straight. If I were to place a bounty on a few people from a gate camp fleet. They can just turn around and double the bounty on me? Without just cause?

Pilot A is flying a titan and has a 1 billion isk bounty. Lets say the Titan is worth 100 billion isk.

Pilot B comes in and explodes Pilot A's Titan.

Pilot B gets the whole 1 billion isk bounty that was on pilot A's head.

20% of 100 billion is 10 billion isk. Pilot A could have had up to a 10 billion isk bounty and it would have all went to pilot B.

Your numbers are wrong. The formula is only a secret to you. I don't think you quite understand how this works. I am sure there are plenty here (including myself) who are willing to give you first hand experience in this area. Shoot me an Eve mail when you are ready.

>>>So anyone who puts a bounty on an "honest player" who "doesn't do anything" should not be allowed in the game... >>>because they are "cheating"... correct? (honestly... I have >>>no idea what you're on about here. How do you personally >>>define "cheaters?")
>>>It basically sounds like you are playing the wrong game sir. People who are "honest" in this game and break no in-game >>>rules can be some of the most lethal players around. >>>AWOXers don't incur any security status penalty. Bumping >>>mining barges doesn't cause CONCORD to spawn. Robbing and disbanding a corp/alliance has no in-game >>>punishment >>>whatsoever.
>>>Under your system... you would be penalized for putting a bounty on these people. Because the game registers them as >>>being "good" and having done nothing wrong.

No, not correct. When I say cheating, I say cheating. I know an case of a friend hunting bots ( using cheater to mine or whathever ), and he gets an high ammount of bounty from this cheaters users that has a lot of money to spend in this kind of stuff. Believe or not, cheaters are using the bounty system to shut up the cheater hunters.
If you dont know what an bot means, I can explain to you in more details, but I can assure you that it is one of the biguest problem in eve today.
My "suggestion" is that you should pay more for putting bounty in "high secure" status person, and that the target will louse a bit of security status. In that way, scammers will louse security status fast and efectivly.



>>> Let me repeat... having good security status does not make you an "honest" player. It just means you have not broken any aggression rules. Nothing more.

It could and should be more then that... Again, its an proposal, an suggestion. If you have better idea, please lets share.



>>>The highest bounty I ever had was 20 million. It was gone after I lost a single battlecruiser worth about 100 mil. Other >>>bounties I have received went away after a day or two of losing cheapo frigates and such.
>>>So your extreme example of not being able to get rid of your bounty even if you lose a Titan is crap (unless the bounty is >>>more than 16 to 20 billion ISK).
>>>And yes... the formula does work as advertised. But just to humor you... I asked a friend to kill one of his corpmates with a >>>bounty. It came out more or less exactly the way the formula I posted predicted.
>>>This means the problem is on your end.


Well, the formula changes since you lost your last batlecruiser, and this is the main problem, the formula is not clear, and its not trustble and its not public. Yesterday my team build the follow test with an caracal (currently 10M value), no itens, no ensurance, with an char with 50M bounty, following your math, 10M bounty should be payed in one lost right ? Wrong, the ammount payed was 300k. Follow words of CCP about that kill :

CCP support :
The paid bounty is based on "Pend Insurance Estimate" on kill reports, which is valued by a confidential formula in the system and is usually less than the "ISK lost". As not meant to be public, we are not allowed to reveal more information regarding how the "ISK destroyed" is calculated.
The amount of "ISK destroyed" for your latest Caracal loss is 1,891,402.84. Consequently, the paid bounty is supposed to be 20% of that, which equals to 378,280.57 ISK.
The only thing I could do here is forwarding this case to the DEV team for a double check. There is nothing I could do regarding the current bounty system or how much it pays out. For your information, you could also file a bug report from within the game client by pressing F12 while logged into game. You will see a window with several sections and buttons, one of which will have the label “Report Bug”.



>>>So let them attack the person. Without proper aggression rights CONCORD will quickly show the aggressor that a bounty =/= kill rights. And in high-sec wars and >>>low/null-sec... bounties are just the cherry on top. The killing, looting, and ransoming are where the real money is.
>>>By the way... your tinfoil hat is showing.
>>>Overall... 6/10. You seem to be just spouting off about mechanics that you don't seem to have a firm grasp of. Then you mock and belittle people that don't agree with you and >>>talk about some weird conspiracy that CCP is doing with bounties... for whatever reason.
>>>I'd rate you higher but your grammar and spelling annoys me a bit.


I also sorry about my grammar, I could write betther really, but I am receiveing so many bull shet reply in this forum that I fell that it dosent worth my time...
If I get any good conversation about this, I could improve it.

That's the problem though. You can't just allow players to take someone's sec status just because they don't like what nothing player is doing.

I am very much against botting, however, I fail to understand how you can't comprehend how horribly something like that would be abused.

I'm guessing you're a nice person in real life, and you're probably an honorable guy, which is why something like this makes sense to you. Unfortunately, people in EVE are not nice and they would abuse the hell out of something like this to lower the sec status of anyone they didn't like for no reason at all.

Petitions aren't supposed to be discussed publicly. Also you will not get access to the exact system CCP uses to calculate bounties. You are doing a great job creating yourself content.

It will keep the cheaters, scammers, and out-laws with low sec status, allowing peaple to put high bounty on then, and keeping the good and new players a bit safe from this bounty abouse.
Also, the security status will tell you something more then if he is an low sec pvp killer, it will tell if you can trust him .

I'm imagining how I could abuse bounties... if everytime I placed a bounty on someone they lost sec status....

That may not be what is being suggested, but wow would that be abused!!! Carebears would log in to find themselves outlaws, and actively hunted anyone.... lol...

Listen to Shah Fluffers, he understands how the bounties current work & pay out!

A post by a dev in a roleplaying thread about Eve lore does not qualify as proof. Sorry.

I think it all comes down to opinion -- the dev has an opinion, that dude has an opinion, and I have an opinion. None are fact. As for your question, I don't think roleplaying matters at all in this context. Action is what dictates what kind of universe Eve is. What the players themselves do dictates what kind of place Eve is. And even that is subject to interpretation by every player. It's just that simple. I'm not saying it isn't a dark and dangerous place or even dystopian in nature. I just don't believe in labeling it as any one thing. I think the devs do in fact try to slant the universe toward the gray areas just as that post pointed out, but we're all free to make choices, and those choices are what define Eve.