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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#21 - 2011-11-01 13:18:12 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
House Caine has open job positions for about two thousand people, mainly in construction. I haven't checked with Sir Mullis or Mokk yet, but I believe they might be requiring a building workforce themselves.

Mr Caine,

I may have as many as 5500 workers who I would be willing to sell to you. I'd be pleased to discuss price and transportation arrangments at your convienance.



One more holder uninterested in the wellbeing and upraising of the people they claim to care for. Understood.
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-11-01 13:37:06 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

One more holder uninterested in the wellbeing and upraising of the people they claim to care for. Understood.


Non-sense, corporations trade expertise all the time. Often they will trade in return for shares, currency or simply the ability to use the infrastructure that the workforce creates. This is simply a fact of modern day economics. I know that Mr Caine will treat my workers with the utmost care and respect. With that said, should he wish to permanently acquire these workers then that is a business matter for he and I to discuss. Alternatviely he could contract the work out to my corporation. Either way my workers would be put to use, making good on the skills and abilities I have invested to develop in them.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2011-11-01 13:45:13 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

One more holder uninterested in the wellbeing and upraising of the people they claim to care for. Understood.


Non-sense, corporations trade expertise all the time. Often they will trade in return for shares, currency or simply the ability to use the infrastructure that the workforce creates. This is simply a fact of modern day economics. I know that Mr Caine will treat my workers with the utmost care and respect. With that said, should he wish to permanently acquire these workers then that is a business matter for he and I to discuss. Alternatviely he could contract the work out to my corporation. Either way my workers would be put to use, making good on the skills and abilities I have invested to develop in them.


This is exactly what I mean, Captain. You are treating your slaves like a business commodity, and not the sacred obligation they are supposed to be.

Unless, of course, you never claimed to have a sacred obligation, in which case you are engaging in illegal slave trading within the empire.

Mr. Caine does not have your charges best interest in heart. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that you do not either.
Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-11-01 14:05:15 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

This is exactly what I mean, Captain. You are treating your slaves like a business commodity, and not the sacred obligation they are supposed to be.

Unless, of course, you never claimed to have a sacred obligation, in which case you are engaging in illegal slave trading within the empire.

Mr. Caine does not have your charges best interest in heart. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that you do not either.



Quite frankly the best way for the Minmatar to improve is through the virtue of hard work. It is our sacred duty to ensure that they purify themselves and make better their race, we do this through ensuring that they are employed and are working as hard as they can. Only through these labours can they better themselves in both mind, body and - most importantly - soul.

You suggest that Mr. Caine does not have their best interests in mind. I would ask that you make good and produce evidence to support this claim. I would hate to think that my dealings are putting the immortal souls of these wayward souls entrusted to my care at risk.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2011-11-01 14:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Nola Doyle wrote:

To Katrina Oniseki, before I commit any number of individuals to your planetary operations, I would like you to elaborate on what you meant by the following sentence:
Quote:
It is not a charity house, and those unfitting for the position can and will be reassigned or worse.

I'd ask that you please elaborate on your perspective of what is worse.

Thank you for your time.


Termination of employment, of course. Workers who consistently show a failure to meet basic requirements of employment despite accommodations and reassignment will have little place with me. I would consider termination of employment to be far worse than reassignment to a different position, of which there are plenty to choose.

If you're worried about something that puts their health or freedom in danger, don't be.

--

EDIT: Oh, and one other thing. Please be careful who you send, if you decide to. I would prefer families, if they exist in your care, to be sent intact so I can properly accommodate for them as a whole. I do not employ children, but there are facilities available for them to be cared for during working hours. The severely weak or elderly likely need not apply, as there are minimal positions for those who are physically disabled or challenged. Those with a current history of violence or narcotic abuse similarly do not have a place here. As I said, this is a workplace, not a charity.

Katrina Oniseki
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#26 - 2011-11-01 14:38:22 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

This is exactly what I mean, Captain. You are treating your slaves like a business commodity, and not the sacred obligation they are supposed to be.

Unless, of course, you never claimed to have a sacred obligation, in which case you are engaging in illegal slave trading within the empire.

Mr. Caine does not have your charges best interest in heart. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that you do not either.



Quite frankly the best way for the Minmatar to improve is through the virtue of hard work. It is our sacred duty to ensure that they purify themselves and make better their race, we do this through ensuring that they are employed and are working as hard as they can. Only through these labours can they better themselves in both mind, body and - most importantly - soul.

You suggest that Mr. Caine does not have their best interests in mind. I would ask that you make good and produce evidence to support this claim. I would hate to think that my dealings are putting the immortal souls of these wayward souls entrusted to my care at risk.


Speak to Lord Pitoojee about the proof. He has been gathering evidence for quite some time, as he mentioned in this very thread.
Saikoyu
Rho Dynamics
#27 - 2011-11-01 14:44:41 UTC
Thank you Nola. I will await your mail. And if you can find no others to take these people, please know that the New Life Program can support the rest.

Siakoyu Eblis-Kad
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#28 - 2011-11-01 15:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
Some random Kuvakei wannabes and self-proclaimed Amarr reclaimers donate or sell slaves to the Angel Cartel, and everyone is telling each other that they honestly only mean well?

Is the truth about yourself that harsh to accept?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#29 - 2011-11-01 15:21:34 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:

Quite frankly the best way for the Minmatar to improve is through the virtue of hard work. It is our sacred duty to ensure that they purify themselves and make better their race, we do this through ensuring that they are employed and are working as hard as they can. Only through these labours can they better themselves in both mind, body and - most importantly - soul.

You suggest that Mr. Caine does not have their best interests in mind. I would ask that you make good and produce evidence to support this claim. I would hate to think that my dealings are putting the immortal souls of these wayward souls entrusted to my care at risk.


So, you Amarians put me in an overheated factory for three-day sleepless shifts because you were concerned about my soul?

Oh, that makes me feel so much better..... :P

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#30 - 2011-11-01 15:40:09 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
House Caine has open job positions for about two thousand people, mainly in construction. I haven't checked with Sir Mullis or Mokk yet, but I believe they might be requiring a building workforce themselves.

Mr Caine,

I may have as many as 5500 workers who I would be willing to sell to you. I'd be pleased to discuss price and transportation arrangments at your convienance.


Ah, much obliged, lord Ran'shad.
I believe you know where you can find me, feel free to visit at your convenience.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-01 16:29:19 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Some random Kuvakei wannabes and self-proclaimed Amarr reclaimers donate or sell slaves to the Angel Cartel, and everyone is telling each other that they honestly only mean well?

Is the truth about yourself that harsh to accept?


If this is your truth, then I pity your monochrome existence. Individuals have the potential to be more than the labels their enemies choose to imprint upon them. It has been my experience that this practice has validated heinous acts on the part of individuals claiming the moral superiority in times of war and conflict during the course of humanity's timeline.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#32 - 2011-11-01 16:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
*snip* stupid forums causing double posts :-(
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#33 - 2011-11-01 16:44:03 UTC
Nola Doyle wrote:
If this is your truth, then I pity your monochrome existence.
If a polychrome existence involves research on live humans test subjects, calling them "resources", afterwards passing them on to the Cartel for further abuse, and when someone points that out, telling them that this is totally not your truth and saying that their world view causes "heinous acts", I'm quite happy being monochrome, thanks.

I would go as far as to say that your polychrome world might be the result of drug abuse, but I'm sure that's totally serious scientific research.
Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-11-02 02:11:45 UTC
Mr. Sadik, if only your wit was directed for more useful functions than simply mocking me I might take greater interest in refuting your delusions. However, if you choose to overlook the reality that Leopold Caine is no more Angel Cartel than you are Minmatar Republic, and that I have committed over five thousand of these individuals to an organization who was once home in your alliance, then I might suggest you take a moment to recognize that the truth is often never as simple as you might rationalize. Perhaps this alleviates your higher brain functions for some grand purpose I am yet unaware of, but your current selectivity in recognizing attributes of your fellow pilots leads me to believe you are less than authentic with your rhetoric.

Good day to you sir.
Nola Doyle
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-11-02 02:19:45 UTC
Quote:
Termination of employment, of course. Workers who consistently show a failure to meet basic requirements of employment despite accommodations and reassignment will have little place with me. I would consider termination of employment to be far worse than reassignment to a different position, of which there are plenty to choose.

If you're worried about something that puts their health or freedom in danger, don't be.

--

EDIT: Oh, and one other thing. Please be careful who you send, if you decide to. I would prefer families, if they exist in your care, to be sent intact so I can properly accommodate for them as a whole. I do not employ children, but there are facilities available for them to be cared for during working hours. The severely weak or elderly likely need not apply, as there are minimal positions for those who are physically disabled or challenged. Those with a current history of violence or narcotic abuse similarly do not have a place here. As I said, this is a workplace, not a charity.


Katrina Oniseki,

Thank you for your clarification. I will be sending thirty individuals, all healthy single men unattached to families and between the ages of twenty to thirty, for employment at your facilities. As I had mentioned before, if you accept these individuals the stipulation is that I will follow up with you in six month's time for a response on their condition. If I do not hear any word in a reasonable period of time, I will assume the worst, so please do take care.

This leaves the number of available individuals to 4,770 at present.

Thank you,
Nola J. Doyle
Voila Flame
CryoCycle
#36 - 2011-11-02 05:16:16 UTC
Nola Doyle wrote:

*snip*

♦ 100 will go to Voila Flame, to assist with her research facility. Any endeavor in the name of science is worthy of support, and especially with an individual I vouch for.

*snip*

At the moment, 4,800 souls remain unaccounted for and would benefit from a new life-long opportunity.

Thank you for your time.

Hello Nola!

I'm pretty sure there would be more room on the station since you're still looking for a place for them, and you know I'd take ever so good care of them. If not, that's fine too I suppose.

[Addition: There are appoximated 650 open positions on the stations at this time that require no specific skills prior to employment.]

P.S. If you have time, could you please send information across schematics on ARGO if you're not going to be able to come by?

[This communication has been modified by the CryoCycle Public Relations Office to ensure public acceptability.]
[Thank you.]
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