These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

I applaud CCP's new Security Dev Post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-18 15:23:45 UTC
When CCP changes their mind about what they will tolerate and enforce, it is good to tell the player-base. This approach is much better than necro-editing a post from 2010.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-18 15:25:21 UTC
No one will notice I'm sure.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-18 15:35:02 UTC
Akturous wrote:
No one will notice I'm sure.

2035 (or how many it was?) accounts noticed already

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-18 15:52:41 UTC
Quote:
Cache scraping

....

We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Third_Party_Policies#Cache_Scraping

So CCP changed their mind and made thousands of player setups ban-able, by disallowing cache scraping - a feature that is used by many third party programs.

Congratulations.

PS: Don't ban me bro. I still have to deactivate that in EveMon.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2013-04-18 15:56:22 UTC
There will be many tears.

I'm gonna need a bigger bucket.


☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#6 - 2013-04-18 16:23:46 UTC
it is Good to see them stop automation and cheating
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2013-04-18 16:31:43 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
So CCP changed their mind and made thousands of player setups ban-able, by disallowing cache scraping - a feature that is used by many third party programs.
No.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#8 - 2013-04-18 16:34:37 UTC
All these people thinking they're going to be banned for using Evemon Roll

Oh god.
Dave Stark
#9 - 2013-04-18 16:35:19 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Quote:
Cache scraping

....

We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Third_Party_Policies#Cache_Scraping

So CCP changed their mind and made thousands of player setups ban-able, by disallowing cache scraping - a feature that is used by many third party programs.

Congratulations.

PS: Don't ban me bro. I still have to deactivate that in EveMon.


good to see you read the thread accompanying the devblog.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-18 16:46:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
So CCP changed their mind and made thousands of player setups ban-able, by disallowing cache scraping - a feature that is used by many third party programs.
No.

Yes.

The EULA hasn't been changed, but they decided to threaten people with bans for cache scraping. They even put a date on it, since when they consider it ban-able. Something they never did before - I'd call that changing their minds.

Dave Stark wrote:

good to see you read the thread accompanying the devblog.

I'm reading it now, but what I read there doesn't really lift my spirit. This "clearing things up" on the wiki (about cache scraping) does the opposite and they shouldn't have done it, imo.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2013-04-18 16:52:30 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
they decided to threaten people with bans for cache scraping.

No they didn't.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-04-18 16:55:13 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
The EULA hasn't been changed, but they decided to threaten people with bans for cache scraping. They even put a date on it, since when they consider it ban-able.
…which does not mean that people are more bannable than they were before. It was always disallowed and they've just given general amnesty to cheats using this method before the 15th.

So no, they haven't changed their mind.
No, they have (quite explicitly) not made thousands of player setups bannable.
And no, they have not just decided to disallow cache scraping — it was always disallowed.

Oh, and no, they are not threatening people with bans for cache scraping either.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-04-18 16:56:18 UTC
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!


Oh, wait. It isn't? People are just overreacting and being stupidly dense like always? Carry on then!

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-18 17:00:53 UTC
So is cache-scrapping the thing that tells Eve-Mon when my skills will be completed? Or if my sell orders have been completed?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2013-04-18 17:05:03 UTC
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
So is cache-scrapping the thing that tells Eve-Mon when my skills will be completed? Or if my sell orders have been completed?

Neither. It's the thing that tells EVEMon the status of the market and transmits that data to places like eve-central.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#16 - 2013-04-18 17:05:59 UTC
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
So is cache-scrapping the thing that tells Eve-Mon when my skills will be completed? Or if my sell orders have been completed?


No, I'm pretty sure that that information is available through the CCP created API you put in to evemon for it to work.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-04-18 17:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Riot Girl wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
they decided to threaten people with bans for cache scraping.

No they didn't.


Tippia wrote:

Oh, and no, they are not threatening people with bans for cache scraping either.

Quote:


Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans).


Read it as you will. For me this is a pretty clear threat to ban people for cache scraping after 15 April 2013.

The fact that they won't ban half the playerbase for using EVEMon doesn't make it less a threat. If they want to clarify things, they should do so and not make things worse. For example, they could have explicitly allowed cache scraping for tools that do not automate anything (to differentiate from market bots). But since market bots are not allowed anyway, they could have just let the whole market scraping out until they are actually enforcing bans for it.
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-04-18 17:07:20 UTC
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
So is cache-scrapping the thing that tells Eve-Mon when my skills will be completed? Or if my sell orders have been completed?


After some searching, I think i found a Dev answer: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2899381#post2899381

CCP Peligro wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
is cache scraping what evemon does when it 'sends market data from your eve installation cache to online endpoints'?


Yes


We are looking for cheaters, hackers, botters and the likes. We are not looking for EVEMON users. Basically, please don't worry.


My problem is that these are technical questions with technical answers and I don't understand the technical details.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-04-18 17:12:55 UTC
Karbox Delacroix wrote:

My problem is that these are technical questions with technical answers and I don't understand the technical details.


He says you're fine when using the market uploader that comes with EVEMon and other tools that are not used for botting and cheating. He says the same thing that has always been said by CCP. Unfortunately, the wiki page that was supposed to clear things up, says the opposite and the EULA says the opposite too. So don't worry, I guess. Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2013-04-18 17:17:51 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Read it as you will.
Ok. It read it as them issuing threats to botters, RMTers, hackers, and cheaters, by telling them that it's futile to try to circumvent the “no client alteration” rule through some twisted logic that oh no, they're only doing cache scraping.

So no. They're not threatening people with bans for cache-scraping. They're threatening cheaters with bans, and saying that what the previous non-enforcement of cache-scraping shouldn't be considered a loop-hole since it's actually just as much against the rules.
12Next page