EVE General Discussion

That's the fun thing about wild guesses: they are pretty much always wrong. Just like now. Not only was your guess wrong, but your basic premise is incorrect: no-one is talking about griefing here.

…which never happened, so no, it's not a lie. Again, you only manage to show that you are very poorly informed about the things you're complaining about.

Actually, he does, as this thread shows. Not even the carebears agree with you, and your insistence on using personal abuse, lies, hyperbole, and hypocrisy as your only argument is not going to win anyone over. You are, in short utterly and completely clueless and need to pipe down and start to listen to what people are telling you.

You went to lowsec unprepared, and you died. It is as it should be. Stop winging about the game working as intended.

Some topics you should research my good man


1.) Scouts
2.) Neut Scouts
3.) Stabs
4.) Tanks (though shields are a bad idea cause they make you easier to blop imho)
5.) Friends
6.) Scouts
7.) Alts



Seems like you just dont have the required Certs to be in low sec, please see your local concord dealer to obtain the necessary testing materials and try again.


Or you could always just join my corp ;) Then you hauler will NEVER be safe.

The harshness of EVE is a design feature. Pretty much large sections of it's mechanics get often looked at and if it seems that if a new rule would make things too convenient, CCP will just slide it to the dangerous side.

EVE has large amount of mechanics, that, unfortunately, make zero sense from a sensible side of things, but make perfect sense when it's pointed out that they are meant to create conflict between players; the intrinsic ability for gate camps to exist at all is one of those, I mean, think logically for a second:

* CONCORD knows where every ship is in space, what that ship is, what its pilots are, and what sec status they have, etc etc, including their exact location in respect to the next gate they are camping.
* They know that they have just killed a bunch of people in the last few minutes, and they don't bother to tell incoming ships directly.
* They know that their gate guns are firing on hostiles at that very gate, and they don't tell incoming ships heading to that gate
* etc etc.

Thank god in real life if a tanker explodes in the highway I'm heading down on, my GPS system actually gets update reports on traffic ahead and even suggests route changes as options.

So yea, I think it's CCP mechanics working as intended, and CCP does offer Blockade Runners to allow people to get around, so there's a decent balance in place.

Maybe one day we will get new shiny mechanics that will allow much more interesting methods of travel and much more interesting mechanics for hunting people down while they travel in that new way, so gatecamps become on-route ambushes, rather then feel like a bunch of hoons waiting just outside your doorstep ...

... till then I'm afraid, this is the mechanics we all have to deal with, and for the record, I can't actually come up with a better system in a pinch, although i recall Freelancer had an interesting gate travel mechanic.

LOL. I love it when people ascribe motives or intelligence or strategy to something when in reality it simply doesn't exist.

They aren't trying to 'deny access' to anything. They are sitting at a gate and pushing a button called 'fire' whenever anything jumps through. There's no motive or intelligence or logic to it. They just get off on griefing and seeing stuff go 'boom.'

Now, access may be denied, but that's entirely incidental. My car denied me access to a place earlier today because it failed to start. But it isn't as if the car was purposefully trying to do that as part of some grand strategy.

LMAO.

Ban explosions.

Replace the use of alt scouts with a right click option on gates: Check Destination.

This option will allow you to pay the gate owners a fee to get a 250km directional scan from the targeted destination stargate. The fee will depend on the faction standing and your security level and may be rejected if either is too low. Does not work on border gates. Only works in empire high and low sec. In 0.0 alliances with sovereignty can set the fee and access to this option, if they have sovereignty in both systems.

Alright, time to cloak.

This sounds good, with high sec status you could check hisec gates in hisec, and with negative sec status you could check lowsec gates. You will also need positive standings with the local pirate faction to check lowsec gates.

And you know the worst part of all this? These unmotivated, ignorant and illogical gate campers are successfully preventing 100% of EVE's playerbase from crossing into low sec from high sec. In fact, they are probable the first people that ever made it to lowsec, and have been preventing the use of all lowesec gates every since.

You are the victim here, and deserve restitution: don't let anyone else in this forum tell you otherwise (they're all just alts of the guys who attacked your poor damn bestower). But of course, you do realize that superstrong gate guns wouldn't have saved you anyways, because as you said (when rightfully pointing out that it is completely impossible to scout your own travel route) that they could just warp in real quick and still get you before the guns got them.

There are only two ways to fix it so that lone travelers can safely pass lowsec gates without risking being destroyed. The first is to make every ship that is on grid with a gate be totally invulnerable. This is the best choice.

The other choice would be to make certain gates "in" gates and certain gates "out" gates, and have the gate guns designed to instapop anyone going the "wrong way" on a gate. This is the second best choice.

A third option (that I don't like, but could accept) would be to make industrial ships invulnerable to damage at all times.

All these ideas would make EVE 10 times more enjoyable by ensuring that nobody dies on gates, and protecting people like the OP from being unfairly, unjustly, illogically, unmotivatingly, and other adverbly attacked.

In short, I agree with OP -

Actually, you DON'T have to do stuff on your own. You are choosing to.

You claim they are camping at "no risk". This is not true. They risk that someone might actually come along and blow them up, and in addition to that they have gate gun fire on them. Just because you and your iteron or whatever isn't a risk to them, doesn't mean they aren't at risk.

You're the one with the mentality error. For some reason you think you should be able to take a defenseless ship into an area that gives you a ******* pop up warning, stating how dangerous it is, at no risk. I'll bet you think you should be able to take whatever goods you were trying to move and profit off of them in some way or another as well? All without any risk of losing it while in transport, even through low security space.

They took the time to assemble three people to keep industrials from moving freely through that system. Why can't you assemble at least three people to ensure safe passage of unarmed industrial ships through that system??? I'm sure you'll whine about them getting more people or something like that, but you could do the same. You won't, but you could.

The OP. Sentry guns are already scaled down (or up) depending on the security of the system, and the point of them being there is to dissuade the use of specific tactics. They have always been fairly easy to ignore (yes, even in highsec). It is as it should be.

…so I'm right then, since you said pretty much the same thing. Drones die horribly to sentries and you can't rely on them to do damage. You still want to use them for decloaking, and if you are willing to pay for exceptionally expensive ammo, then sure — go ahead and waste them. They're still not a camping weapon. What you're saying that the sentries do what they're supposed to do: they present a hindrance.