EVE General Discussion

I fly T1 Industrials through lowsec... not enough skill points for anything else. I send a scout ahead and the T1 follows... I haven't been caught yet, but I will.

You use the tools you have.

1. I would respond... yes it is optional (a good option).
2. I would say the opposite... get caught.

I think it is better for new players who may want to experience other parts of the game than highsec to go to lowsec early: with low value ships. Losing a ship should not be the end of the world. Learning about risk and reward is important.

The advise I have been given by multiple sources is for me to get my PvP combat toon 10 T1 frigates, fit them out, and then take them to lowsec and lose them all, but learn something for each loss.

A T1 is a cheap investment if knowledge is gained.

Difference between the OP and you is that you used the tools at your disposal to protect your cargo while the OP just yet "screw it! Its CCP's fault if I die"

Same. I'm more paranoid about flying an indy through high sec than I am about flying it through low or null.

You lost a ship and cargo. You have paid in ISK... what did you learn?

Gategun suck? The aren't going to change today or tomorrow, what can you do differently to compensate? You have to change what you do to beat this situation. You are presented with a challenge.... how do you respond?

It'll effect their death.


English skills.

Assumtions make a fool of you. I live in wormhole space, and frequent lowsec all the time! I don't fall into the highsec crowd, but am keenly aware of the challenges they face. There is little incentive for them to risk lowsec. Though the OP's example is poor, industrials are fodder in lowsec unscouted, it doesn't change much if he had chosen a different ship. Most catecamps are more than sufficent to kill a solo player, especially the general highsec non-PvP experienced type. Lowsec is nothing more than a buffer zone between high and null, with the pirates within attempting to catch anything passing through. And though its more than possible to pass through lowsec realtively easily for players that know what they are doing, we're talking about players that don't. The pirates have been very successful in creating the image of lowsec being a deathtrap, and its an underpopulated wasteland as a result.

I honestly believe, that by discouraging easy gate-camps via gategun buffs will open the door to highsec players. Allowing them to risk traveling to lowsec for the potential rewards within, with a reduced chance of immediate OMGWTFPWNAGE. The result? More targets for pirates, and more carebears becoming not carebears. The arguements against these suggested changes are poor, in the extreme. It boils down to players selfishly defending their play style, with disregard of the improvement of EvE as a whole. Do you really need to protect the gate-camp easy-mode? Are you completely unable to find targets running sites or mining in lowsec systems?

I guess nothing beats mashing F1 when someone appears through a gate.

Absolutely... change that risk/reward ratio. It is your job to make that adjustment. You have that ability.

A. Maybe you need to train up for a bloackade runner.
B. Maybe you just scout the gate first... perhaps it isn't always camped.
C. Perhaps there is another gate you can scout that isn't camped.

You have been given a gift. A puzzle that if you solve it, will expand your abilities and knowledge of Eve. You will be a better player, make more ISK, and have more fun.

This is an opportunity for you. It may not look like it now, but it is forcing you to expand you game play. Months from now you may look back and be thankful this happened.

I am serious.

It wasn't even directed specifically at you. Your post does bring up some valid points, though:

1) little incentive to risk is an issue, but it is caused by ample rewards available risk-free, in hisec
2) clueless will die in this game, but it has nothing to do with sec status- it happens to bads everywhere
3) that image is not a reflection of true state of things, and it was not created by lowseccers, but hiseccers justifying their risk adversity and fears



Gategun buffs would do two things- disencourage and decrease PVP between people on gates who actually want to fight, and change the composition of gate camps to be even more overpowered. As they are, they already seriously reduce engagements between small ship pilots.

Furthermore, even as we speak, only very few gates are actually camped. If somebody is unable to avoid these with all the available information and ingame and OOG tools, do you think that person would actually survive in lowsec then?

You also hang on the misconception that lowseccers want more soft targets around. Ganking a barge or indy is not a good fight, and the ransom potential is low. Ganking a shiny PVE ship might be more lucrative, but guess what- these already roam lowsec plexes as they please and the only possibility to catch them is, tadaa, a very lucky and dedicated gate camp. (I've been on both sides of these hunts, and they prey has all the advantages)

FIY I've never been in a gate camp in my life so I don't have any personal interest to defend that style of PVP, I've lost many ships to camps and they were all my fault and would have been in my power to avoid.

We cannot change the game to cater to lazyness and carelessness, it would break the game.

This, very much. I live in Placid and in the whole region I know a grand total of two gates that are regularly camped, on the others you would have to be extremely unlucky to get caught.