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Daveion Steel
Steel Capital investments
#1 - 2011-11-01 11:34:57 UTC
I'n not really much of a mission runner although I have done plenty, I run then for Brutor, Republic fleet in Minmatar space in the usual Mach fit that has been posted maybe three times on this forum page this week.

My Question is, is there a mission that tests the Mach? I only turn down Serp missions because I hate damps. So is there any particular missions that you guys and dolls think is hard for the Mach to complete?

I look forward to seeing your opinions.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#2 - 2011-11-01 12:20:21 UTC
I would say that Guristas assault would eat your nerves up. Just getting jammed 8-9 times in a row is mind boggling insane, and i hold a record at 11 jams in a row. DPS keeps piling up and you cant do anything about it.

One room of Gurista exy is dangerous if you shoot the frigs first, they are triggers and you get a new spawn with a few BS. Once the jamming starts, frigs get close, web is up, and good luck tanking that.

Anyway, i didn't come across a mission Mach couldn't clear if you know what is waiting for you and smart aggro.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-01 12:27:50 UTC
Yep Guristas. You can run them in a Mach but it is a waste of the hull's potential. Personally when I have to run a mission in Caldari space I park an overtanked Drake with FOFs in the room and go make a sandwich. Serps are not a problem really because with the Mach's speed if they damp you you can fly right on top of them and turn them into Gaurdian puree. With Jamming that is not an option.

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I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#4 - 2011-11-01 13:33:45 UTC
Daveion Steel wrote:
I'n not really much of a mission runner although I have done plenty, I run then for Brutor, Republic fleet in Minmatar space in the usual Mach fit that has been posted maybe three times on this forum page this week.

My Question is, is there a mission that tests the Mach? I only turn down Serp missions because I hate damps. So is there any particular missions that you guys and dolls think is hard for the Mach to complete?

I look forward to seeing your opinions.



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Orlacc
#5 - 2011-11-01 16:33:57 UTC
Silence the Informant can get your teeth grinding....

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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#6 - 2011-11-01 17:06:08 UTC
JitaJane wrote:
Yep Guristas. You can run them in a Mach but it is a waste of the hull's potential. Personally when I have to run a mission in Caldari space I park an overtanked Drake with FOFs in the room and go make a sandwich. Serps are not a problem really because with the Mach's speed if they damp you you can fly right on top of them and turn them into Gaurdian puree. With Jamming that is not an option.


Always wondered about that, do the Heavy Missile FOFs hit one sequential target at a time? And can they take down a Guristas Battleship?

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Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#7 - 2011-11-01 22:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Linda Shadowborn
Hershman wrote:
Always wondered about that, do the Heavy Missile FOFs hit one sequential target at a time? And can they take down a Guristas Battleship?


They hit what is closest, so you snuggle up against what you want em to kill and it dies.. eventually. a few will always hit something else but it works.. slowly.. painfully
Daveion Steel
Steel Capital investments
#8 - 2011-11-02 22:59:56 UTC
Far fewer than I expected, and none of which I have come accross so far.

Not being a diehard mission runner I never thought that the machs speed to get in the thick of it would negate being damped.
sometimes common sense looks you in the face blindly.

Mach has 5 mids, is there a mid slot that might be better used to help prevent geting Jammed against Rats? I seem to think rats Jam on a chance base, and there is nothing that can be done to help prevent it?

Thanks so far :)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2011-11-02 23:13:22 UTC
Daveion Steel wrote:
Mach has 5 mids, is there a mid slot that might be better used to help prevent geting Jammed against Rats? I seem to think rats Jam on a chance base, and there is nothing that can be done to help prevent it?


Increasing your sensor strength decreases chance of jams, so throwing on a ladar ECCM could help a bit.
Leetha Layne
#10 - 2011-11-04 20:20:06 UTC
Train up drones. Mach can hold plenty and jamming is not an issue then.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#11 - 2011-11-05 19:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
Leetha Layne wrote:
Train up drones. Mach can hold plenty and jamming is not an issue then.


Well, true, Mach has 125m3 of drone bay, i usually carried 25 Hobos II, since i am a certified idiot and i lose them in most amusing ways.
But still, taking heavy's does nothing since they are slow as hell, and if you are jammed you cant tell them who to attack.... so even if they by some stretch of infinite luck they manage to attack the jamming BS, after 20 sec some other BS starts the jam cycle...and Mach isn't a drone boat, Mach uses drones just to get frigs that got under our tracking range.
Drones being stupid as they are, are prone to attacking a frigate first...and voila, a new BS spawn with more jamming BS + more DPS, and your survival chances go down.

By the time drones get a BS down, if they even manage to break the BS tank, you would be dead, jammed 10 times in a row or plain bat-shiet crazy from frustration.

Using a ECCM is a possibility, but unless you hit 110 sensors str, you are still prone to jams like hell. Tengu has 36 sens.Str, gets jammed like hell, using ECCM it jumps to 68-70, and they still jam the living crap out of you on occasions.
Mack has default sen.Str of 26. Good luck fitting ECCM and not destroying the fit.

Still, if you think this is bad...be happy you are not in a marauder, they have 11-14 sen.Str Ugh
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-05 20:12:35 UTC
My ishtar gives the finger to jamming and sensor damps while it orbits its Garde II's.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#13 - 2011-11-06 08:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Desudes wrote:
My ishtar gives the finger to jamming and sensor damps while it orbits its Garde II's.


Quoted for trueth also a Dominx/Navy Dominx and/or Rattler will just tank all day long siting there with no cares for webs/warpscrams or jams as your drones just eat and eat all day long.Bear

Secondly you need to know the ships that jam and set your drones on top of them first and formost that normaly speeds things up and go's along way in reducing jams.

Number 1 target jamming ships.

Number 2 target Frigs if there not the trigers.

Number 3 target everything alse but the triger.

Then kill triger and repeat.

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#14 - 2011-11-06 14:09:32 UTC
Best thing to avoid jamming is get a 2nd acct. Blink
pussnheels
Viziam
#15 - 2011-11-07 11:42:22 UTC
I don't think a mach has any problem with any lv4 missions , yes the guristas jamming can be annoying so is serpentis daampening and sansha TD they just annoying but not impossible to overcome

Aslong you don't mess up the aggro the mach is the undisputed king of lvl 4 moissions

Only in some of th Faction Epic arc missions you will have problems .. ascending nobles from the amarr arc and" show time " from the gallente epic are 2 missions that comes to mind where i had problems in a mach , actually every ship will have troubles in those 2 missions

And best thing is you don't need to pimp your mach with expensive faction items to have a good missionboats

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Ratling Saraki
Ratling Saraki Corporation
#16 - 2011-11-08 00:00:36 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
As long you don't mess up the aggro the mach is the undisputed king of lvl 4 missions


LOL, every PVE Tengu pilot in EVE is going to have a good chuckle at that. Undisputed King......lol.

BTW, I fixed that dog-awful spelling for you. ( yes yes I know, spellchecks are too hard to use. I mean, who on earth knows how to right click on a squiggly line?)
pussnheels
Viziam
#17 - 2011-11-08 07:46:14 UTC
Ratling Saraki wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
As long you don't mess up the aggro the mach is the undisputed king of lvl 4 missions


LOL, every PVE Tengu pilot in EVE is going to have a good chuckle at that. Undisputed King......lol.

BTW, I fixed that dog-awful spelling for you. ( yes yes I know, spellchecks are too hard to use. I mean, who on earth knows how to right click on a squiggly line?)


thx for correcting me , sadly my english sn't that good good

aye i might agree with you on the tengu, but isn't that personal choice
I got characters all of them done lvl 4 missions
This one mainly in Amarr ships and last 6 months in a paladin and recently a kronos
a caldari one with either a golem or a tengu
and a minmatar who flies a mach
All ships handle differntly , but fastest for doing missions without blitzing them or without too much problems is the machariel

The paladin and kronos are great pve ships and really even better against their natural enemies , the golem is good vs everything but sooooo slow, the tengu is great and fun but rather slow in killing everything that isn't weak versus kinetic damage on the biggest missions in a reasonable time and very vunerable vs web and scram combo s

but my personal opinion and taste

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Wastelander Miccey
Just flying Casual
#18 - 2011-11-14 12:57:36 UTC
Tank/Rattler and DPS/Cnr...
Bom Bom...Mission done..
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#19 - 2011-11-14 15:41:23 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Daveion Steel wrote:
I'n not really much of a mission runner although I have done plenty, I run then for Brutor, Republic fleet in Minmatar space in the usual Mach fit that has been posted maybe three times on this forum page this week.

My Question is, is there a mission that tests the Mach? I only turn down Serp missions because I hate damps. So is there any particular missions that you guys and dolls think is hard for the Mach to complete?

I look forward to seeing your opinions.



Dread Pirate Scarlet is not fun if you get lots of Blood Raiders.


Just use faction specific hardeners against them. you do not need any hardeners for everything else in that mission anyway.

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Kesshisan
#20 - 2011-11-15 14:00:49 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
Drones being stupid as they are, are prone to attacking a frigate first...and voila, a new BS spawn with more jamming BS + more DPS, and your survival chances go down.


Drones attack the target that they think they can kill the fastest after engaging. Typically this is the lowest bounty ship on grid (exceptions exist.)

They will do some seemingly silly things, like attack the 500,000 isk bounty BS orbiting at 50km before killing the two 750,000 isk bounty BSes orbiting at 8k. However, the targeting choices they make are logical.
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