Warfare & Tactics

Before i start this thread properly a few notes.


I do not RP, I rarely post on thread and i really can not be bothered with the we are better than you comments which most threads degenerate into.


This thread is my view about Enaluri and it has been echoed a few times.


so here we go.


The Gallente Fortress has been for a long time now has been Nennamalia, It suffered from an beyond abysmal market, no clones, no near link to Dodixie ( most of us have Jita and hauling alts ). This can make life a little difficult. However apart from all the above and the 90au warp we have to cover if some one scream for help. It is nice.

The Caldari fortress seemed to have become Enlauri. With cloning, next to no real market . These systems are next door to each other.

This resulted especially for the last month, 2 months has created some phenomenal fights, both sides can undock and be in a fight within around 10 seconds. This for us who like to pvp and are less concerned over Plexing and Sov is a dream come true. With these fights came pirates, Goons, Test, FCON, Snuff box, Shadow Cartel to name but a few. This gave These two systems constant dynamic fights. It was for all intents and purposes to the PvPer a dream come true. I cannot and will not comment on the state of Caldari Facwar because i simply do not know it. What i can say is they were relentless in the deplexing and offensive plexing in and around Nennamalia. This in tern generated fights, escalations from Frigs to Cruisers. What more could a Pvper, FC any one want?

This equilibrium lasted for about a month and a half. Then the Fantastic group that is Smile and wave - a fairly large Minmatar Alliance Moved near Nennamalia.

This caused a "slight" inbalance to the dynamic. While US time zones were strong for the Gallente we suffered on our EU time zone presence which meant what ever was plexed was deplexed by the time the next time zone kicked in.

With these extra numbers and certain entities actively pushing for Enaluri to be taken. Within 3 days the system had flipped.

This was in my opinion a huge mistake.

The Caldari now seem to be scattered Some big names have left Facwar entirely, some just to secure assets, other have moved to empire space and a few have moved to Loes and another constellation beginning with Y which i cannot for the life of me remember . Now back before Enaluri was flipped local would sit at 30 average and sometimes hit 130 give or take. It was mental and many people loved this.

Now Local sits at 10. With barely any fights.

Now you may think wow, this guy can not go 10 jumps before a fight. But i think it kinda shows that actually wining the "war" for some isn't all that. for some it is purely about PvP. I really hope Facwar gets that good again. So Caldari my plea to you... Pull together and come bring the fight. We are ready.


Sorry for the horrible spelling and grammer. This post i hope doesn't dissolve into fighting or sniping at each other. Would be nice to hear other peoples opinions.

Glitchy

Will give it a week or so before we commit to relocating :D

Yep you guys have done yourselves out of lots of fun fights.

The timing was spot on for them too.
Our best FC was working all weekend & we had poor numbers over those days too. I could only play a few hours due to sickness so I missed a lot of it. :(

I doubt we will waste the time moving stuff back to that area. You now get to travel just to hope for a fight.

While I think the Gallente do like good fights - the minnies will do anything they can to avoid them - which is why they took Enaluri.


If you guys really want the fights to return - start awoxing minnies indiscriminately until they refuse to trust you again.

I see 2 problems with this kind of conclusion:

1. Nobody in Gallente who had to spend hours and hours de-plexing their home system is sad about the squids moving out of Enaluri.

2. People are confusing Nena and around (during the UStz) with the whole front. . There is fighting in other fronts and other timezones.

Also: Faction Warfare goes in cycles. Always has and this has happened before for both sides, one of them becoming so dominant that the other kinda takes a breather. I remember times when Gallente would be down and almost out . Squids will come back and normal amount of pew pew will recommence.

Smile N Wave were great and nothing but respect for them.

Glitch- It takes alot of courage to say something that most would consider to be disloyal. But thanks for offering a contrarian view. It is funny you start this post because my corp has a similar discussion internally. Here is my thought;


As one of the corp FCs told me some time ago;



The problem with alot of people in FW is that they don't want to go beyond their comfort zone of 2 jumps. Mention the idea of a roam into null or beyond the warzone, and you lose half the fleet. Instead, some are just content with fighting terribad disorganized WTs and want the comfort of a continual reshipping from their own home into any hardcounter they want.

As Juan said, the people who live in Nenn aren't complaining because that's the price you have to pay so you don't have to worry about deplexing. And let's be brutally honest. We all know EU Gallente pilots who live in Nenn never bother to deplex. It's always up to the US TZ corps like Genstar or BNANA to deplex the system which typically hovers at 20% during US TZ. That's inexcusable given that 2 jumps away is Vlillirier which always stays under 3%. Or consider Nisuwa which has no EU TZ presence and it's up to the US TZ alliances to deplex that system. But Nenn, which has 2-3x the population of these two systems seems to stay at 20% every night. This annoyed alot of the American pilots

I have no problem if people want to stay within their 2 jump radius. But please, don't sit there and complain about lack of targets. That's just hypocritical. Not directed towards you but just speaking in general.

Honestly, best thing for Caldari to do is fine some system many jumps away and use that as your fortress. Lots of collaboration will come from it and it'll make them stronger and more cohesive.

It's not the end of the world if some of you guys decide to relocate or even take a road trip to elsewhere. But I know deep down inside, nobody will do it. Comfort zone....

Glitch:

Someone in my alliance linked your thread and your sentiments echo much of what we have been saying for the past several days.

I know that I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Enaluri and actually think it was silly for the Gallente to push us out. In my opinion, it ruined the core of what the FW PVPers enjoy the most... a constant stream of fights of varying compositions that made logging on to Eve more exciting than it has been in a while.

Enaluri did well to combine a good number of Caldari pilots into one location and, until the arrival of the Minmatar guys, allowed for a rather balanced fight.

For what it's worth, I never saw any kind of a push from the Caldari guys to actually try to take Nenn.

Don't get me wrong, many certainly announced battle cries in Local to that effect, but most of the fleets that I was in were looking more for fights than our savory Tier 1 LP :)

What the Enaluri / Nenn campaign really did was push the shitball farmers out of the area and combine all of the PVP-hearted players into a small box... a small bloody wonderfully noisy box.

I will miss it.

Cheers to your guys who put up great fights. I hope that Eve gets that good again someday...

^^this coupled with the minnie plex horde pretty much means goodby to any system held by the Caldari.

Ah well back to enjoying tier 1 LP!!

You know that changing frontlines always means a sh...ton of hauling instead of playing the game?

Yes we do, that's why people were so eager to kick you out of Ena in the first place.
Let's not forget that deployment in Enaluri was done with one specific purpose - kicking Gals out of Nenna. That was revealed in leaked mails, that was explicitly asked in general CalMil chat once things started to go downhill for the Enaluri bunch and that was visible in continuous pressure of non-stop plexing in system. So, let's stop pretending that Enaluri deployment was just to reship faster for the good fights.
No one likes deplexing, I know I hate it but I do it on regular basis to keep home systems safe. If I can choose between kicking out my enemy from next door or deplexing hour after hour, guess what the choice will be.

IMHO, if you want good fights you guys need to get your act together and create a caldari nennamaila. Rakapas looks like a very good location in center Black Rise for a thing like that - good stations, cloning, factories, even lp store and missions. Kinakka would be my choice if I was based in noth-west of BR. Start from there, get more people to move from hisec and see you on the battlefield.

Some of you see FW as a low sec RvB. Some of you see it as an Isk farm. Others want to wage holy war for [insert faction here]. Or anything in between.

Most of you need to realise that others do not have to validate your way of playing

I understand the propaganda posts. I understand veterans putting the importance of FW sovereignty into perspective when they've seen it flip from side to side dozens of times. I don't however understand the "QQ they took my sparring partner away" posts like this one. It's low sec, there are plenty of entities to fight. They might not be as easy to deal with as your average Caldari gang, they might not be next door. Just deal with it.



You can accept that as your truth and move on without posting it in every other thread on the subject. Just saying.