Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So long as it's limited to the non-rookie NPC corps that seems like a reasonable idea. It'd certainly provide a real, tangible advantage to being in a player corporation for the average highsec moron and help to reduce the use of NPC corp characters for neutral shipping, boosting and whatever the heck else.

Ah, the 1337 forum pvper and his alts.

What's next, making it illegal for me to gain your trust, rise to a position of power in your corp and then steal all your assets, I think STO is still around, you might like that game

No it doesn't. It just encourages solo play in a mmo. You won't find a more paranoid and unsociable bunch anywhere else.

Nice stuff there, would be such a shame if something were to happen to it. So how well do you actually know internet spaceship ppl?

Fixed that for you. If you want to get into a half decent corp and have fun with the mmo side of the game staying in high sec really isn't the best plan.

A bully is usually a coward and high sec is full of both. You can't exist long in nullsec if you're an arsehat so people in most nullsec corps I've experienced have predominantly understood the need for trust and mutual protection which is also why most nullsec corps insist on a vetting process prior to allowing new members. You don't find anywhere near as many dicks outside high sec.

High sec is like infant school. You give someone a slap and then run behind the teacher claiming not to have done anything and with teacher's protection no one can do anything to you. Nullsec consequences are policed entirely by the players who are generally more competent anyway so breaches of trust tend to be punished much harder.

Nope. Just my observation after playing for 5 years or so in various places in high sec and various places in null sec. Perhaps I've just been extremely lucky but I doubt that.

How would AWOXing work if you did this? This is a terrible idea.

Personally the best way to balance shooting blues and shooting reds in hi-sec is to just nerf hi-sec. Then theres no reason to join a corp to shoot it.

Also whats this "protecting new players" junk? I got kiled *every day* in this game when I started playing until I learned to stop getting killed. And it was *awesome fun*

We'll put aside that you think I target new players or don't make a profit for a second.

If you put on gloves and step into a boxing ring, it is not morally wrong for someone to punch you in the face. If you sit down opposite someone over a chessboard and move a piece, it's not morally wrong for them to end up taking your king. The things that happen in a game and according to the rules that everyone agreed to by entering the game cannot be morally wrong unless you live in some sort of upsidedown mirror world where taking an opponent's king in chess gets you put in front of a firing squad for regicide.

And you did touch a nerve. I don't like seeing my friends called names for behavior they haven't displayed in any greater quantity than any other subset of people in this game or having the area that they play video games in an extremely talented manner being compared to 'infant school'.

I didn't say I think you target new players. Again, nerve hit? I was merely making a point that I disagree with that behavior and I'm well aware there are people that don't.

Using your analogy, if you walk into a gym off the street to see what it's all about, step into an empty ring and suddenly a skilled amateur boxer leaps into the ring and starts punching you repeatedly in the face until you're on the floor bleeding, laughs at you and then tells you to toughen up or GTFO, that would be pretty ******. In some people's view that amateur boxer would have done a morally wrong thing. The problem with your analogy is you're assuming both sides to be complicit.

Now, a more accurate analogy might be to imagine you're walking home from work and someone jumps out and beats the living daylights out of you, laughs at you and tells you to HTFU or GTFO. The next day he does it again. This constitutes bullying. The same thing happens in EvE. Whether you and your friends do it doesn't change the fact it happens.

Now, you say "it's just a game" and to an extent you're right. It is just a game. But it attempts to emulate social and political groupings and so some social concepts such as trust and morals are inherent in the way people play. Some people play just for the kicks of upsetting other RL people purely because they get their jollies from other people's pain. As you say, this is a game so it's not intrinsically "wrong" but it might be morally wrong depending on your viewpoint. That's pretty much the definition of bullying and these are the people I was talking about.

Whether you disagree with this or not doesn't matter as some people will. This does happen in high sec. I see many posts on the forums from old and new players alike complaining about this and demanding changes to avoid it. Personally I disagree with this and think early education to be a better method of avoiding this (or more accurately put the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the individual new players) but it is something that goes on.

I'm sorry if you took my comments to heart personally. It wasn't intended to be a singular attack on you, more of a generalization on a difference between high sec and nullsec specifically from my experience in game and from reading the forums.