Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There might be 200 ships, but not 200 people. Guess which ships tend to be flown the most.

forgive my ignorance, but outside of specifically mentioning the Archon and the Abaddon in relation to slowcat fleets, when have Amarr been painted evil?

Oh, wow, look what I just said... 2 ships in only one specific meta are an issue, and, holy ****, we have to nerf 44 ships to fix this!

Yes, Rise, Fozzie, I'm being slightly facetious with this, and yet, going by your own statements, still stating the truth. if the Rokh or any other cap ship with a resist bonus was a real issue, or the abaddon or archon outside of slowcat fleets as well, to the point that it actually deserved a nerf to fix it, it would have been a glaring enough case to have stuck out in your own heads and deserved commentary as well. And by your very silence on every source I can find (including that interview of CCP Rise that that squeal guy posted to twitch), even you can't think of a reason any sub BS is creating issues without this nerf.

So, why not try telling me again why this nerf is actually needed? And for those of you who have access to the Devs by means other then these forums, why not tell them they need to man up and actually start responding about this?

seems that fozzie listed lot of caldari ships

edit: also amarr ships

Well, at this point, the change is only a proposal. So going back on it wont make the same big splash that the initial announcement did. Honestly, I think CCP's best option is to nix the current proposal and give us more of the status quo while this is sorted out on the drawing board in a way that both players who love and hate the resist bonus can accept. Note that the definition of compromise I'm working with here means that no one will be truly happy with the results.

At this point, the changes haven't hit the live server yet, so its not on the radar of 85% of EvE players anyway.

Proposing for the third time...

Buff the rep amount ships bonus, the shield boost amount ships are fine.

Viola, balance. The gallente whiners get better ships for solo/small gang, as the bonus was intended for and the bread and butter ships of two other factions don't have to get worse.

because aside from maybe the hulk, all of the exhumers have more than sufficient tank even with this nerf. then again, the hulk's lack of tank is more due to ccp's failed attempt at balancing the exhumers than this change specifically but this change will hurt the hulk most out of the 3 exhumers.

I think the Drake, Rokh, Abaddon is/maybe/were overpowered, but that's no reason to nerf 40+ other ships because you attribute that imbalance to a resistance bonus. By all means, nerf the bonus progression, then nerf the hulls on a case-by-case basis.

The whole kills = happy people thing only works if the people are flying ships that don't cost a very large amount of isk each. I pay good money for a BS tank, and I expect to receive something for my isk other than a paper target. BS's should be tougher than they are now across the board, there isn't really enough to differentiate them from Navy BC's, especially since the Navy BC's have a better price point.

Also, making ships more fragile closes the window of opportunity for reinforcement. What your thinking of is replacement, which is different. Reinforcement means to send backup to preserve an ally from attack. Calling losing a ship and coming back with another one reinforcement doesn't really work. Unless someone else has yet to lose their ship, and you are trying to get back to them. But with the this nerf, it's far less likely across a whole range of ships.

Don't get me wrong, I've lost plenty of Rokh's in the course of my capsuleer career, but I don't need to be losing them at a faster rate, it's costly enough as it is. However, I would accept a significant increase in cost over a tank nerf, and I would pay even more for a tank buff.

Also, I'm not a fan of easy kills, I prefer my combat to be a tough, long, and challenging affair. So I prefer that there not be an easy button for ruining hulls. To me, easy kills are like random encounters in an RPG, not much fun, and a big time sink when grinding. I prefer boss fights.

Fortunately, eve has a variety of ship sizes, so both people who like random encouter style combat, and boss fight type combat can coexist. Just make frig - cruiser sized ships more random-encountery, and the BC's and BS's more boss-fighty. In fact, that has already been done for the most part with the recent rebalancing amongst the smaller hulls. Just bump up the larger ones in toughness and were set.

Are there specific hulls you want to hit directly (rokh, abaddon, prophecy, t3's come to mind) because of their perceived power? Why are you doing a blanket nerf on a bunch of ships youJUST balanced? Did you balance them the way they are with this in mind, or are you going to have to go back and redo them yet again? There's a reason we stopped carpet bombing in wars and went to precision munitions. Precise, targeted changes are almost always better than blanket changes. if you're unhappy with RR vs active tanking, then don't take away active tanking from ships with a resistance bonus. Find another way to do it. buff active tanking to 8% per level, even though it's not an even* number or whatever.

Also, can we get some feedback from you?
*even being 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10% like many bonuses in eve.

i find that the difference between resist bonus and active tank bonus is onl noticeable with big ships , BCs and up

why did you have to change that bonus for every class , firgates included , right after you have rebalanced those ships

leave the frigs and cruisers alone!