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Odyssy ICE depletion...ICE RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION

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forestwho
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-17 21:17:11 UTC
He said it right,

High sec ice gets moved to wormholespace,

now pls move along
Tessla Coil
Pirannha Corp
#22 - 2013-04-17 21:17:57 UTC
turmajin wrote:
I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it wouldnt wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products wouldnt also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds.Ring mining i dont see happening till at least next year tbh


Yes, the price would skyrocket. Yes, this would become another massive income stream for the null sec cartels.
Which is precisely what will likely happen.

Listen/watch what Soundwave said in the Twitch TV podcast about a week ago.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#23 - 2013-04-17 21:18:22 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Ice fields have been nerfed before.

While I doubt that ice fields will disappear entirely from any region of EVE, I would not be surprised to see both:



Well actually there are no ICE fields in the entire regions of WH's ( but you're technically correct that they wouldn't disappear from there since they are not already there )
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-04-17 21:20:18 UTC
So we have evidence of this?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#25 - 2013-04-17 21:26:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So we have evidence of this?


This thread has 'speculation' in the title. Evidence and/or proof and/or facts are not required. Big smile

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2013-04-17 21:29:00 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Gravimetric site only(of sorts).

Aquametric?

/nod


Yeah, a "gravimetric" would do... and CCP could be really imaginative and seed "comets" around the edges of any given star system.

For lack of a better term, call it an "Oort Cloud" idea.



One issue with making them all grav sites is barges and exhumers do not have a utility high for the probe launcher. Or the discovery scanner, whatever it is. The result is a lengthy process of first scanning with one ship, then going back and getting the miner.

Then again if the ice site is so huge miners are willing to share I could see ice mining chat channels springing up where you ask if there is a nearby site, and fleeting up to get a warp-in. (no gankers will not be that big an issue with that system, as its no easier than warping to an ice miner right now). This would actually foster interaction between miners.

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-04-17 21:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
baltec1 wrote:
So we have evidence of this?


google: ccp soundwave twitch interview , read top link .

tl;dr: soundwave says maybe changing Ice to be more like oil on earth, and less like a commodity manufactured by bots in highsec, could be good.

Take that for what it is.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#28 - 2013-04-17 22:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
There is always my "erupting comet" idea.

Replace ice belts with comets. They could be fixed, findable on D-scan, or with probes.
Comets are mined just like ice roids. Fly up to it, target and mine.
Comets have gas eruptions. These start out as a visible cloud pattern on the surface. If you see one under your ship you got a minute to fly away.
If you do not fly away the eruption takes place and pushes your ship away from the comet, breaking your mining cycle.
Exotic ices could have eruptions that damage your ship.

The eruptions would come often enough that if you just started mining and went afk you could be fairly sure that in 10 minutes or so you would get hit by an eruption. Note that blindly orbiting the comet does not help as you could just as easily fly into an eruption as fly away from one.

Now for a bot to mine this it will need to be able to read the screen had recognize the pre-eruption pattern. Quite possible, but not by your basic bot. CCP could mess the bots up more by having dozens of different cloud patterns, some signifying an eruption, others not, and changing it day to day. A player could figure it out by watching the comet for a few minutes. The bot.. might have issues.

Isboxer users would also have an issue. Usually they spread their ships all over a belt. But with a comet that would mean each is over a different part and subject to different eruptions. A common command of, say, "fly down" would not work for all ships. They could cluster the barges all close to each other so they can all be moved out of the way of the same eruption, but that makes them smartbomb fodder.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2013-04-17 22:05:29 UTC
Ive got the perfect solution.

Make Ice fields and asteroids depletable and never respawn.

Make asteroid fields and icebelts regenerate by making planets destructible.

Planet splosion = More rocks and Ice.

Miners are happy about all the new rocks and balls of ice, Everyone else is happy because they have planets to shoot and watch explode.

As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#30 - 2013-04-17 22:11:16 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ive got the perfect solution.

Make Ice fields and asteroids depletable and never respawn.

Make asteroid fields and icebelts regenerate by making planets MOONS destructible.



FIXED & this too redistributes moon goo in NULL Big smile
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-04-17 22:14:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ive got the perfect solution.

Make Ice fields and asteroids depletable and never respawn.

Make asteroid fields and icebelts regenerate by making planets destructible.

Planet splosion = More rocks and Ice.

Miners are happy about all the new rocks and balls of ice, Everyone else is happy because they have planets to shoot and watch explode.

As for planets respawning... well, we will leave that up to the mice.


And when all the planets/moons are gone?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#32 - 2013-04-17 22:17:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


And when all the planets/moons are gone?


Itll be up to the mice to commission more.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#33 - 2013-04-17 22:18:48 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


And when all the planets/moons are gone?


Itll be up to the mice to commission more.


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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-04-17 22:31:09 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


And when all the planets/moons are gone?


Itll be up to the mice to commission more.


The mice all ate of the blue donut, but the blue donut was colored with FD&C blue dye no. 1(also known as "brilliant blue"). "In 2003, when Brilliant Blue was used as a dye in feeding tubes, the FDA issued a public health advisory because of side effects like blue-tinged skin, urine, and feces, as well as hypotension and death. "

tl;dr, the mice are all dead, and without new moons/planets, we're next.

1. Source:
Food and Chemical Toxicology 52 (2013) 19–27
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.fct.2012.10.027,
‘Absorption of triphenylmethane dyes Brilliant Blue and
Patent Blue through intact skin, shaven skin and lingual
mucosa from daily life products’
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#35 - 2013-04-17 22:34:36 UTC
Ice is the life-blood of EvE. I'm pretty sure if it were removed from highsec it would have disastrous consequences.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#36 - 2013-04-17 22:35:35 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
J'Ribs wrote:
Maybe Ice will run out.

The Jita belts ran out.



The Ice must flow.

Long live the fighters!
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-04-17 22:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary Me
Deleted for poor taste
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-04-17 22:47:21 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Even just leaving them in highsec but setting them to deplete would probably triple the price of isotopes. Do other things, and it goes up from there.


Would't this effectively kill any single possibility of null getting any for of industry by driving way more up the actual price of running production lines? Unless low/null for massive mining army, I don't see the production of ice ever reaching the level of high sec to even just keep the prices as is...

What about jump fuel?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-04-17 22:56:02 UTC
I suppose it's always possible that the existing ice fields are nerfed and a new ice-teroid containing some amount of isotopes (composition varies by region ?) and other fuel ingredients is seeded amongt existing asteroid belts. Depletion then becomes more likely, and it's still relatively easy to access with current skills and ships.

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Dave Stark
#40 - 2013-04-17 23:05:43 UTC
better late to the party, than to miss it all together i guess...