Ships & Modules

I'm setting up a Harbinger and trying to figure out what a decent amount of DPS is for it.

Right now the fitting window is telling me it'll do 187 DPS with beams (multi-frequency crystals) and 4 drones (don't have Drones V yet).

I'm planning to use it primarily for mission running in highsec.

Here's the fitting:

--HIGH--
6x Focused Medium Beam Laser I (Multi Frequency crystals) - 15km optimal (25km optimal if I switch to Infrared)
1x Small Tractor Beam

--MED--
3x Cap Recharger I
1x 10MN MWD I

--LOW--
2x EANM
1x Medium Rep
1x Adaptive armor (whatever it's called which distributes armor resistance based on the damage you take)
2x Heat Sink

--RIGS--
2x Cap Control Circuit I
1x Nano Pump (can't recall the name, it adds 15% repair to the armor rep)

--DRONES--
4x Hobgoblin I
4x Warrior I

DPS:
187 w/Multi Frequency
118 w/Infrared

Right now it's cap stable if I don't fire the MWD.

Armor resists are between 55 and 65% across the board before I activate the adaptive armor.

I know I should work towards T2 modules, which is something I'm going to be doing over the next few weeks.

I do have Battlecruisers V already, and most fitting skills are 3-4.

A few things:

-Holy ****, stop using meta 0 stuff. For about the same or slightly more, you can get rather significant bonuses from meta 3-4 if you can't use t2. At max skills, the fit you gave does 236 gun DPS with MF and flat t1 guns. With meta 3 guns, the cost is almost exactly the same (+~100k ISK total across all guns) and you do 271 DPS.

-Using cruisers and up require competent drone skills. If i were you, I'd get drones V (at least enough to use 5 mediums or 5 lights), then work on your support skills (so you can fit t2 stuff), and then boost your drone skills further (T2 drones, drone interfacing, etc.) Do this before trying to move up to battleships; you're already a bit underskilled for the ship you're flying.

-If you know which rats you'll be fighting (And you will, as it's given in the mission description), i'd replace the EANMs with mission-specific hardeners. Omni-resists are a good "lazy' solution if you can afford the luxury of lost protection but I'm not sure you can.

Three more things:

-That fit has a fuckload of extra powergrid. Upgrade the guns to heavy beams for a significant DPS increase and better range.

-You'll have major problems hitting things up close. I would swap at least one cap recharger for a web

-You may want to swap out the MWD for an AB. I don't see too much utility with the MWD here, and it would let you swap out some cap rechargers for webs.



They're a little light (I don't recommend using a full t1 fit on a battlecruiser, and his drone skills need work) but yes, in general his support skills are okay. He loses ~40-50 DPS to skills with his current fit.

My point was that his DPS could be significantly improved with virtually no loss.

Without t2 pulses you won't have Scorch, which means your range is going to be pretty pants. You'll spend more time burning around getting in range than you will actually shooting.

Once you have t2 pulses then yes, they're probably better, but if we assume t1 weapons I'd suggest beams.

You got some good advice here so far, def go for Meta3 guns at least, Meta4 if they are in your price range,

Also for about 3 million more isk you can get Imperial Navy Multifreq, will really boost your dps for not to much more cost overall and will really make up for it with faster mission times.

I also would recommend you hit up the recruit channel in game or the recruit forum and look for a friendly new player mission running corp. One that is active and will give you all the tips and advice you need from fitting ships, skills that you need that you may not even know exist, and a ton of other useful advice

Have fun!

Very wrong.. Lasers have the worst tracking so drones are the only thing saving you from close orbiting frigs. I would train gunnery and other support skills to 4, BC to 4 then do T2 drones, with supporting skills to at least 3, before even looking at T2 medium guns.

I don't mean to be a prick, I don't know all the math behind on bat etc either, but do people really have trouble hitting webbed frigs? I honestly can't say I've ever struggled to hit a frig that gets under 10k once webbed. Sure, lock times are slow etc, and I agree drones are important, but aside from number crunching I've never once had a frigate I couldn't hit with heavy pulses and a single web. Even if it orbits well under optimal.


Granted gunnery skills are higher for me than for the OP, I just can't recall ever a time where I would have died without drones using cruiser sized pulses

I just got home and took some of the advice listed above to my Harbinger.

Here's the current fitting:

--HIGH--
6x Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I (Meta4) w/Imperial Navy Multifrequency M crystals
1x Small Tractor Beam

--MED--
10MN Afterburner I
Stasis Webifier I
2x F-b1 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator (Meta3 cap recharger)

--LOW--
Medium 'Accomodation' Vestment (Meta4 Armor rep)
Reactive Armor Hardener
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
2x 'Skadi' Coolant System I (Meta3 heat sink)

--RIG--
3x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

--DRONES--
4x Hobgoblin I
4x Warrior I

If I don't have the tractor beam, afterburner, and web activate it's stable at 1.2% lol

With just the webber added my cap will run out in 20 minutes

DPS: 310

That's definately a huge jump for the 7 million I spent on replacement modules.

The only problem I see is my optimal is 13km and falloff is 8km, so anything beyond 21kms I can't really hit.

Any other suggestions for a newbie on a budget?

Lose the reactive armor hardener and the EANMs and use mission-specific active hardeners.

As for range: You don't have to use multifrequency all the time. If your cap won't suffer too much, you could also swap out a cap-re for a tracking computer.

[Harbinger, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Prototype Armor EM Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
'Skadi' Coolant System I
'Skadi' Coolant System I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator

Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin I x4 (active)
Hammerhead I x5
Hobgoblin I x1



This is what you should be running as basic. As stated above get 5 t2 drones. There is just no excuse to not fitting some of these t2 modules when they only require lvl4. Get those now. Hull upgrades, mechanic, repair systems, weapon upgrades, and afterburners all only need lvl 4 for most of the t2 items. This should take you about 1 week to train and you will have it forever.

At all lvl 5 this setup is 484 dps, tanks 132 against em/therm, and is cap stable at 43%. I know you don't have lvl 5s, I'm just giving you this info mostly about the capacitor and how you can get that with implants to make up for skills.