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Massive ISK Potential - Market Reselling in Otela and Liekuri Systems
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FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-15 14:12:47 UTC
I would just like to inform the general EvE player base for those who are currently not aware that RvB operates 3 jumps out from Jita.

Basing from;
Otela II - Expert Housing Foundry (Red Federation HQ) [3 Jumps from Jita]
Liekuri VI - Moon 4 - Sukuuvestaa Corporation Production Plant (Blue Republic HQ) [3 Jumps from Jita]

With many thousands of kills taking place in RvB each month, RvB members look to purchase PvP modules off the market from their HQ to resupply.

It is mutually beneficial for industry pilots to stock the market, so that RvB players may have items to buy and market resellers can make a margin profit. If you wish to help stock these two stations, you will find that frigate, destroyer, cruiser and battlecruiser hulls and corresponding modules sell quite quickly.

RvB members are unable to go to Jita to restock (unless an alt is used) due to the constant war, getting into Jita and back with resupplies is often a suicidal endeavor for an RvB pilot.

Here is an opportunity for market traders to make steady ISK on market orders.


FallenTitan
- Blue CEO
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#2 - 2013-04-15 14:30:35 UTC
This is new and exciting.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#3 - 2013-04-15 17:28:10 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
This is new and exciting.


Confirmed. I am excited and new.

yes
FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-16 22:29:41 UTC
Back to the top for the public to view.
Havoc Zealot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-16 22:52:10 UTC
Confirming I have excitement in my pants...I think that's what it is.
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#6 - 2013-04-16 23:30:52 UTC
I'm pretty sure people already knew about this.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#7 - 2013-04-17 06:37:29 UTC
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
I'm pretty sure people already knew about this.

And now everyone knows that there are no margins left.

Any colour you like.
FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-17 06:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: FallenTitan
Samroski wrote:
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
I'm pretty sure people already knew about this.

And now everyone knows that there are no margins left.



Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita.
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#9 - 2013-04-17 07:14:24 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:
Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita.


Okay, but if there are no margins left, people are going to stop doing it, since there will be far better ways to make a buck. You either get your supply from others and pay extra for the convenience, or you get it yourself. That's the price of being able to buy stuff directly in your home station. If you think you're ever going to get Jita prices in Liekuri and Otela, because traders are going to compete to see who can lose money supplying RvB, you're out of your mind.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#10 - 2013-04-17 07:43:46 UTC
It's not the first time this thread has been posted. As a general rule 'hints' about specific items or systems are going to be disregarded if they show up in MD because of saturation.

Especially when it's the same advice over and over again.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.
FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-04-17 09:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FallenTitan
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
FallenTitan wrote:
Clearly you must understand that it is my intention and duty to ensure that the RvB market prices are low. That may mean lower margins for you, however a ~20% markup on some modules is more than acceptable for a three jump haul from Jita.


Okay, but if there are no margins left, people are going to stop doing it, since there will be far better ways to make a buck. You either get your supply from others and pay extra for the convenience, or you get it yourself. That's the price of being able to buy stuff directly in your home station. If you think you're ever going to get Jita prices in Liekuri and Otela, because traders are going to compete to see who can lose money supplying RvB, you're out of your mind.


You misunderstand this thread completely. There are current gaps in our market’s item prices which can extend beyond 500% profit per item, this is simply because there are not enough people that can handle the demands of our market for particular modules, If the prices are too high we do not buy them, we haul those specific modules ourselves using alts, which we would prefer not to do.

Do you understand that the objective of this thread is to fill those market deficiencies back to normal saturation, so that we can continue buying the items, and market traders can broaden their revenue streams.
Zosius
The Nordic Associates
Insidious.
#12 - 2013-04-17 11:50:17 UTC
to be honest small t1 stuff is a pocket change and not very lucrative for pilots capable to setup hub there. That is why you often may see 500% margin, where % might be scary, but in terms of isk it's not. Let's do some 5min analysis

Judging from killboards April campaign is 100bil killed/destroyed. If we analyze further Ships by popularity: Frigate/Cruiser/Destroyer/BC/AF. Thus we can focus on Small/medium mods. All mentioned hulls are roughly 90% of isk killed thus 90bil. in 17 days which we can round up to 5bil/day isk killed/lost and needs to be replaced

So if we took 20% profit margin (I doubt you get better for most popular items) and assume you cover all the market, there is 1bil/day of potential profit. Assuming we cherry pick and trade in 20% of items that perhaps give 80% (800mil) of total profit, after putting competition into equation, I would very doubt you could manage >500mil/day profit in very good conditions.

In the end there's a lot of research to be done to count real profitability, but I think more experienced traders don't engage much in small value items unless they try to control major share of it and there is very big volume movement. I would recommend this for Small-medium traders, who just got their freighter skills done. I might also consider to do some "passive" trading on this topic since i got a spare trading alt, but not enough free time to manage it.

TL;DR. Potential is there..

Regards,
Z

http://cloakybastard.blogspot.com
FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-17 12:16:39 UTC
Zosius wrote:
to be honest small t1 stuff is a pocket change and not very lucrative for pilots capable to setup hub there. That is why you often may see 500% margin, where % might be scary, but in terms of isk it's not. Let's do some 5min analysis

Judging from killboards April campaign is 100bil killed/destroyed. If we analyze further Ships by popularity: Frigate/Cruiser/Destroyer/BC/AF. Thus we can focus on Small/medium mods. All mentioned hulls are roughly 90% of isk killed thus 90bil. in 17 days which we can round up to 5bil/day isk killed/lost and needs to be replaced

So if we took 20% profit margin (I doubt you get better for most popular items) and assume you cover all the market, there is 1bil/day of potential profit. Assuming we cherry pick and trade in 20% of items that perhaps give 80% (800mil) of total profit, after putting competition into equation, I would very doubt you could manage >500mil/day profit in very good conditions.

In the end there's a lot of research to be done to count real profitability, but I think more experienced traders don't engage much in small value items unless they try to control major share of it and there is very big volume movement. I would recommend this for Small-medium traders, who just got their freighter skills done. I might also consider to do some "passive" trading on this topic since i got a spare trading alt, but not enough free time to manage it.

TL;DR. Potential is there..

Regards,
Z


A nice explanation for the newer traders out there.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#14 - 2013-04-17 16:35:13 UTC
This may be worth it if, this mini hub can bring me 10M isk per slot per day, which I doubt, even with a 20% markup.

The question goes, why are you asking people to serve you for near nothing in return?

Your best bet is to set up station buy orders en mass for items that you need, marked up at-least 8% from Jita sell order prices.

on another note, if you have to advertise, that means the locals are not very excited and ditching their sale orders in favor of more promising, objectives.

Once again, Buy orders 8% over Jita sell orders, you can ALL do it at the same time just match each others prices, no need for penny wars, your orders will be filled daily because as it goes.

Or DO it yourself.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#15 - 2013-04-17 17:13:59 UTC
Ok, now that we're discussing this:

The RvB people may not have much time or inclination to set up buy orders. Thus a good idea, but may not work.

The market at the 2 HQs is pretty good for the frequently destroyed items and slow-ish for the rest, but then someone comes along and buys your entire stock. This happens quite frequently. Thus it is (used to be) worthwhile to supply these stations. There are (were) also good margins in buying cheap T1 stuff and re-selling it at a high margin. One of my alts made billions selling worthless T1 stuff for a million a piece, as an experiment (pays to get there first).

RvB have lists of items that get destroyed over a period of time. These lists are a great place to get an idea of the faster moving items. The market, though, is bigger than what these lists may suggest.

There is also the option of selling fitted ships via contracts. As RvB have internal drives and contracts, one needs to be careful entering this market, but there will always be room for well fitted ships, strewn all over the play area for instant fixes.

Any colour you like.
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-04-17 19:35:06 UTC
If RvB needs anything in particular stocked or ship packages then just evemail me.

I have stocked some items that are required :)
Caerfinon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-04-18 02:12:12 UTC
Lots on information on what we use is available on our Kill boards. Pick a few of use and look at the the ships and weapons we use, and check the fittings of ships we lost. A little research goes a long way.

http://rvbeve.com/red/?a=home

http://rvbeve.com/blue/?a=home

P.S. Sell to Blues for less Blink

Cheers C.

@Caerfinon - Twitter
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#18 - 2013-04-18 11:23:27 UTC
Caerfinon wrote:

P.S. Sell to Blues for less Blink

No doubt blues are much better, thus I always go for higher margins at the Red HQ. Unfortunately at times this means that the the Red HQ is better stocked...

Any colour you like.
Azura Dante
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-04-19 05:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Azura Dante
So i decided to take the time to setup orders in these two systems.

Items I sell each day in jita (granted a little 0.1 pvp usually).

Most items I've put on as pretty much jita prices and these item's with large numbers sold each day.

and i've sold:

0 in 24 hours out of 4 bil's worth of sales.

You are right, stuff I would of sold all of in a day or two in Jita was really worth the time shipping here -.-

Don't waste your time.

/edit:
To clarify the items listed are extremely common and almost core items for frig/cruiser/BC pvp.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#20 - 2013-04-19 12:19:19 UTC
Azura Dante wrote:
So i decided to take the time to setup orders in these two systems.

and i've sold:

0 in 24 hours out of 4 bil's worth of sales.

Yeah, best to stay away, everyone.

Any colour you like.
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